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To: Enlightened1
You would think scientists, and people in general, would have a better grasp of the size of things. The earth is a vast place. Temperatures vary often within miles of each other. For instance, I live in Dauphin County, PA and official temperatures are recorded at Harrisburg International (MDT). Just south of here (yes, south) there is a small airport in York County. It's temperatures, particularly in winter, are several degrees cooler than MDT; sometimes up to 10 degrees F. I am pretty sure I know the reason. MDT is a huge heat sink with much more asphalt and concrete.

That is on a local level. Most places on earth do not even have temperature recordings. The earth is that vast. You have to wonder what garbage data these scientists use as input to their models. I highly doubt that when scientists examine historic temperature data that they take into account accuracy of instrumentation or changes in the local environment, e.g., a local grass airfield turned into a paved runway international airport.

Then scientists rely on ice cores and fossilized tree rings for ancient temperature records. To what degree of accuracy are their estimates. They are estimates since no one was around to collect actual temperatures to compare to ice cores. (Note: even thermometers provide estimates and have a margin of error. Anything you measure in science is an estimate.) Obviously, there are very few ice cores to create anything of statistical consequence. Scientists certainly do not have ice cores from the last ice age when glaciers reached Pennsylvania. Vast parts of the Earth were covered in ice, and then that ice melted. It continues to melt. That's what happens when the earth is not in the midst of an ice age.

All of this doom and gloom over a couple C temperature difference, that has to be in the statistical margin of error because of a lack of sample size, mixed methods of temperature estimation, and changes to weather station environments. It is clear indication to me that these are not scientists, but cultists of scientism. We can thank illiterate teachers and their inability to grasp basic statistics and science while they indoctrinate generations with pseudoscience.

11 posted on 07/20/2021 6:18:20 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (“When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” ― Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ConservativeInPA
You are correct about how the arguments for climate change are based more on getting more grants and wishful thinking than actual data. In reality the available data from land based thermometers is not sufficient to establish an "average" temperature to the accuracy claimed by climate change proponents.

Temperatures on land vary on a very small scale depending on things like the amount of shade, the reflectivity of the surface materials, local airflow patterns, the amount of moisture in the soil, and dozens of other factors. There is no reason to suppose that a single thermometer at some chosen location represents the average temperature of the area around it to a high precision. When the entire effect you are trying to study is smaller than the "adjustments" you make to the data then you really don't have much data, if any at all.

24 posted on 07/20/2021 8:17:28 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: ConservativeInPA

This has been the coolest summer in TX that I can remember. Normally, the temp would be in the triple digits but it’s in the 70s.

Guess that’s why they’ve had to change “global warming” to “climate change”. TX had the big freeze this winter and now a cool summer so no global warming here.


26 posted on 07/20/2021 8:27:44 AM PDT by bgill (Which came first, the vax or the virus?)
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To: ConservativeInPA
That's what happens when the earth is not in the midst of an ice age.

Geologically we are in an interglacial, but still an ice age. The problem is we have too much cold deepwater formation for the earth to warm much. There's always fresh 32F water being created in the north Atlantic and southern ocean surrounding Antarctica. If anything there's a litle less deepwater formation in the south because sea ice cover is so extensive. Reduction of that sea ice will cool the planet even more and result in more snowfall on the Antarctic continent.

28 posted on 07/20/2021 8:29:04 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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