before Western civilization and Christianity
Do you mean before Plato and Paul, or do you mean before Luther and Leibnitz?
The Tower of Babel stuff. So, definitely before the Greeks and maybe even before the Sumerians.
Secret society stuff, like the cult of Enoch.
https://medium.com/@amyhale93/the-pagan-and-occult-fascist-connection-and-how-to-fix-it-d338c32ee4e6
They hide among the conservatives and use much the same language as conservatives, but they don’t have the same worldview of conservatism.