Posted on 03/17/2022 7:24:43 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
Slightly more than half of Ukrainians believe that Putin's regime wants to destroy the entire people of Ukraine in a full-scale war.
Source: results of a poll conducted by the sociological group "Rating" on March 12-13
Details: 56% of Ukrainians surveyed believe that the main goal of Russia's invasion is the complete destruction of the Ukrainian people, and this opinion dominates in all regions of Ukraine.
Another half believe that the target of the attack is the occupation of Ukraine and joining Russia.
Only 15-17% think that Russia is pursuing a goal to change Ukraine's political course or prevent the deployment of NATO bases, 10% - believe that the motive is the destruction of military infrastructure, 5% - provoking NATO to war.
Those who believe that the invasion of the Russian occupiers was aimed at protecting Russian-speakers - only 2%.
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(Excerpt) Read more at pravda.com.ua ...
Poll taken March 12-13 of 1,200 respondents aged 18 and older in all oblasts except the occupied territories of Crimea and Donbas
Ukrainians don't buy the talking points Putin's supporters use in the Western media and on social media, about Putin's primary aim being preventing NATO bases or demilitarizing Ukraine or protecting Russian-speakers.
Rather, they apparently believe Putin in his eve of invasion speech in which he declared that Ukraine does not have the historical right to exist.
He has referred to them in very unflattering terms, Russian media has called them dogs and pigs, and Nazis, and drug addicts. For crying out loud their President is Jewish!
Majority of Russians support Putin just like they supported Stalin. Germans have no use for Hitler after they got their butts kicked. Perhaps Russia didn’t suffer enough. Should of listened to Patton. Could it have been another quagmire like Afghanistan/VietNam? Possibly.
Putin has been explicit that he does not believe in a Ukrainian nation. If this war had gone the way he had planned we would have seen a Russian controlled Ukraine ban the speaking of the Ukrainian language and history.
I don’t think that’s an unfounded suspicion.
But what’s the real story here?
The inference is that 50% support Putin?
It’s difficult to see the upside for Pootie-Poot.
Maybe he can go to Texas and manage W’s ranch.
Wth would you expect them to say?
Bingo! Putin is a propagandist and wannabe Hitler, who ranted that Kruschev was wrong to grant Ukraine Independence 7 decades ago.
Things me of the inspirational saying:
If you love someone let them go;
If they come back to you it’s beautiful;
If they don’t, hunt them down and kill them.
At this point, with all objectives ruined, I think it likely Putin just wants to obliterate Ukraine and leave enough Russian troops in key areas to prevent NATO objectives as long as possible.
Russians have been attempting to eradicate Ukrainians since ling before the last Czar died.
I am not a neo-con, or a fan of NATO for several reasons, but the Western talking points aren’t even an intelligent psyop, and will work well for the historically illiterate.
Worse, once an arrogant person takes a position, even if they were to be showered with hard facts, they will not accept them.
At such a point, the truth is simply untenable.
NATO —
A few points on that NATO thang[ey] -
#1. For 45 years, the geographic distance between CCCP and NATO was anywhere between roughly 3” inches, all the way up to approximately 150 yards.
Not 30, 50, 250 miles.
((And that was with CCCP and its Warsaw Pact tipping out at near 55,000 nuclear warheads, 67,000 tanks, more than 70,000 armored infantry fighting vehicles, and over 71,000 artillery guns. Except or nuclear warheads, in each category, NATO was outnumbered anywhere from 8-10 to 1 ( or more), on a border which was only feet from CCCP. The only thing keeping Moscow from rapidly smashing all of Europe was MAD, and US nuclear artillery. Thankfully, God raised up Reagan, whi crushed CCCP with finance and trade policy, there would be a necessary CCCP transition to CIS, and there has been reprieve.
#2. NATO has not admitted a nation since 2004.
#3. While NATO has an “anyone is welcome to apply policy”, NATO membership requires unanimous consent for membership, and several prominent EU nations have preemptively said no to Ukraine membership (multiple times), specifically because of the large 9 nation, Kremlin controlled CIS military threat, and it’s strong Beijing/Moscow alliance which has existed since 2009/2010, but now publically formalized in the past month.
#4. Ukraine did begin the NATO “MAP” process required for all applicants, but didn’t apply for NATO membership until Russia took Eastern Ukraine and Crimea in 2014. After Moscow took the Donbass region and rich resources, and Crimea, nearly 70% of the population wanted NATO membership, or nearly double the number from 2008.
It is a detached individual and society which looks from a far off, and judges and quarterbacks the people being bombed, rocketed, shelled, burned, and wiped out.
Interesting what fear and desperation can do to a population -
I’m watching Gingrich right now. Some of the anti Ukraine nuts here need to listen to Newt, Pompeo, Trump, Grenell, and everyone from the Trump administration. Those are our trusted leaders.
Beautifully explained. Thank you.
For crying out loud? Like that does any good.
Show me where Putin referred to all Ukrainians in those terms. It’s just another piece of fake news, like Trump supposedly saying that all Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers.
Groups using Nazi insignia and honoring Stepan Bandera are part of the Ukrainian armed forces. Zelensky being Jewish doesn’t change that fact.
Trusted leaders?
Everyone has his or her own agenda. I don’t trust any “leader”. I like Gingrich and mostly agree with him, but he’d sell his own mother for a few minutes in the spotlight.
“Show me where Putin referred to all Ukrainians in those terms. It’s just another piece of fake news, like Trump supposedly saying that all Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers.”
Tokyo dislikes Trump so using Trump as example won’t work for him.
In fact he’s a fan of the Ukrainian Comedian, he likes Zelensky better than Trump.
He said if Bonespur/Trump was in Ukraine he’d run away dressed as a woman.
Newt is a longtime neocon. Sadly, he’s giving cover to demented and dangerous Joe Biden and the Blinken crowd.
They botched this from the getgo. Russia would have never invaded had they not pushed the Nato theme. It’s unforgivable the carnage and damage done by imbeciles.
Newt knows better....
Tokyo is an Anti-American leftist. Period. He’s an unapologetic Xiden bootlicker.
He is to be scorned and ridiculed.
People in the subway in Kyiv or the bombed out basements of Mariupol, perhaps devastated Kherson?
What moron thinks they could conduct a legitimate poll?
How about, ask the question "Does this suck?"
Or "Do you think Russians are trying to kill you?"
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