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Can't The West Admit that Ukraine is winning?
The Atlantic ^ | Match 21, 2022 | Elliot A. Cohen

Posted on 03/21/2022 1:45:47 PM PDT by AZJeep

The conventional wisdom in Washington usually lag the view from the field by two to four weeks. Analysts and commentators have grudgingly declared that the Russian invasion of Ukraine has been blocked, and that the war is stalemated. The more likely truth is that the Ukrainians are winning. Most professional scholars of the Russian military first predicted a quick and decisive Russian victory; then argued that the Russians would pause, learn from their mistakes, and regroup; then concluded that the Russians would actually have performed much better if they had followed their doctrine; and now tend to mutter that everything can change, that the war is not over, and that the weight of numbers still favors Russia. Their analytic failure will be only one of the elements of this war worth studying in the future. ost professional scholars of the Russian military first predicted a quick and decisive Russian victory; then argued that the Russians would pause, learn from their mistakes, and regroup; then concluded that the Russians would actually have performed much better if they had followed their doctrine; and now tend to mutter that everything can change, that the war is not over, and that the weight of numbers still favors Russia. Their analytic failure will be only one of the elements of this war worth studying in the future.

The Ukrainians are not merely defending their strong points in urban areas but maneuvering from and between them, following the Clausewitzian dictum that the best defense is a shield of well-directed blows. The West’s biggest obstacle to accepting success, though, is that we have become accustomed over the past 20 years to think of our side as being stymied, ineffective, or incompetent. It is time to get beyond that, and consider the facts that we can see.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Russia
KEYWORDS: chechens; chechnya; elliotacohen; putdownthecrackpipe; putinsbuttboys; putinworshippers; russia; russianaggression; theatlantic; theusualsuspects; ukraine; warnukraine; zottherussiantrolls
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Long article discussing how Russians are inept and loosing. Very interesting, if you want to find out why the Ukraine is turning the war around. Lately, they are not just defending themselves, they are starting to go on offensive!
1 posted on 03/21/2022 1:45:47 PM PDT by AZJeep
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We simply don’t know who is winning or losing.

We know Russia has an advantage in men and materials. We also know that they have no qualms about just shelling the cities to dust.

The rest is speculation.


2 posted on 03/21/2022 1:48:46 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: AZJeep

How long before they take Moscow?


3 posted on 03/21/2022 1:49:17 PM PDT by freespirit2012
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To: AZJeep

The Atlantic? Prior to 28 days ago, when was the last time you believed anything published by these hacks?


4 posted on 03/21/2022 1:49:41 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: AZJeep

More propaganda, Ukraine is not winning and will not do so. More fantasy from the MSM to justify sending more arms and widening the war.


5 posted on 03/21/2022 1:50:08 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: AZJeep

Not our circus, not our monkeys.


6 posted on 03/21/2022 1:50:21 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: AZJeep

Detachment Steiner is about to conduct a counterattack!


7 posted on 03/21/2022 1:50:31 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: AZJeep

People have been saying that Ukraine will inevitably lose, no matter how long it takes for the Russians to destroy people and infrastructure and private properties.

But, it’s also true that, inevitably, Russia will run out of armaments and equipment and military personnel. The longer the war lasts, the less that Russia will have with which to conduct war. And that’s especially true after the sanctions which are stifling their economy, and as we all know, military power is dependent upon a strong economy.

Ukraine is losing a lot, but Russia is losing a lot more, including their standing as a first rate military power.


8 posted on 03/21/2022 1:51:40 PM PDT by adorno
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Pro-Putin conspiracy nuts here on FR think any news of Ukrainian success is Jewish left-wing propaganda by the Ukrainian comedian and neo-con Deep staters. It’s all about new world order Reptilians taking over and enslaving all white men and the eventuality of a Black\Gay hegemony, thus taking their F-150 payments and yearly visits to the Outer Banks every year away and making their plump wives as sex slaves for the mud people


9 posted on 03/21/2022 1:52:40 PM PDT by pburgh01
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To: freespirit2012

Never.
The Russians will defend Mother Russia to their last breath.
In case Russia is attacked, the Russians will change and all will volunteer to defend it. Everybody will stand with Putin!
I think, Zelensky knows it.


10 posted on 03/21/2022 1:53:27 PM PDT by AZJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AHQkryIIs)
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How long before they take Moscow?

Agree. It's not winning when your house is destroyed and the enemy is comfortable at home. Even if Russia withdraws, Ukraine is destroyed. Russia won't withdraw without keeping more territory. The Ukrainians are losing. When they can mount an offensive on Russian lands, then maybe they can lay claim to turning the war around.

11 posted on 03/21/2022 1:54:27 PM PDT by roadcat
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I see Russian military in Ukraine.

I don’t see Ukrainian military in Russia.


12 posted on 03/21/2022 1:54:53 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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These jerks should look at the map.

Th Ukrainians have done very well--and they have won a bunch of tactical victories. They are close to a stalemate.

On one level, a stalemate looks like a win for Ukraine. But how does Ukraine get the lost ground back?

13 posted on 03/21/2022 1:54:56 PM PDT by Lysandru
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https://www.theatlantic.com/author/eliot-a-cohen/

...especially when you look at the author’s previous articles. I don’t know exactly what is happening in the Ukraine, but this author’s biases make me suspicious of this article.


14 posted on 03/21/2022 1:55:15 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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https://twitter.com/wwiipix/status/1096770569700286465?lang=en

From inside the Zelinskyy bunker.


15 posted on 03/21/2022 1:55:51 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: hardspunned

The Atlantic talked about Trump’s gear during the election and publishes lots of lies. They are at the far left of the far left.


16 posted on 03/21/2022 1:56:41 PM PDT by Luke21
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“Pro-Putin conspiracy nuts here on FR think any news of Ukrainian success is Jewish left-wing propaganda by the Ukrainian comedian and neo-con Deep staters. It’s all about new world order Reptilians taking over and enslaving all white men and the eventuality of a Black\Gay hegemony, thus taking their F-150 payments and yearly visits to the Outer Banks every year away and making their plump wives as sex slaves for the mud people”

You are one sick guy.


17 posted on 03/21/2022 1:57:18 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: pburgh01

I don’t think they are reptiles. And our wives aren’t fat.


18 posted on 03/21/2022 1:59:54 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: AZJeep

The Atlantic has a bad track record for accuracy on any politicized subject. They were the ones pushing the debunked story of Trump dissing soldiers in private from an anonymous source. Maybe this story happens to be true, but I give the Atalintic as much epistemic weight as a broken clock.


19 posted on 03/21/2022 2:00:44 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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Can't The West Admit that Ukraine is winning?

Are they?

20 posted on 03/21/2022 2:01:38 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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