Polish panel: Russia behind Polish leader's plane crash

AP ^ | April 11, 2022 | AP

[Dr. Franklin]

The latest of the commission’s reports, released Monday, alleges that an intentional detonation of planted explosives caused the April 10, 2010 crash of Soviet-made Tu-154M plane that killed Kaczynski, the first lady and 94 other government and armed forces figures as well as many prominent Poles.

Their deaths were the result of an “act of unlawful interference by the Russian side,” the commission's head Antoni Macierewicz told a news conference.

"The main and indisputable proof of the interference was an explosion in the left wing ... followed by an explosion in the plane's center," said Macierewicz, who in 2015-2018 served as defense minister in Poland's right-wing government.

He denied that any mistakes were made by the Polish pilots or crew members, despite bad weather at the time of the crash. A Polish government special commission has reinforced its earlier allegations that the 2010 plane crash that killed President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others in Russia was the result of Moscow's assassination plan.

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Suspicions are additionally fuelled by Russia's refusal to return the wreckage, which has complicated Poland's investigation.

Earlier, two separate reports by Polish and Russian experts on aviation incidents said the crash on approach in dense fog to the Smolensk airport, which did not have sophisticated aviation equipment, was the result of human errors made in adverse weather conditions.

They found no proof of foul play.

[Dr. Franklin]

In short, Russia invited the President of Poland, Lech Kaczynski, to attend a ceremony honoring WWII Polish officers executed by the Soviets in the Katyn Massacre near Smolensk. His plane crashed killing many members of the Polish delegation which included a former Polish president in exile, cabinet members and legislators. From the pictures, it appears to have been blown up from the debris field. The man whom Kaczynski defeated for the presidency, Donald Tusk, concurred with the Russian findings of an accident. The opposition party objects, and Russia has never returned the plane wreckage, a Polish Air Force jet, to Poland.

Now ask yourself, why has the plane wreckage never been returned to Poland after 12 years, if this was an accident? We should all trust Putin right? And what does this say about former E.U. head Tusk?

[sjmjax]

It was that pesky center fuel tank again!

[DesertRhino]

Read the accident report. Such claims are sheer lunacy.it was a classic combination of Polish incompetence, Russian incompetence, bad weather, and serious VIP interference with the crews decision making.

[rod5591]

I find it very suspicious that these “findings” took 12 years years to be determined/released, and they are released right at a time of strong anti-Russian public sentiment. In fact, I would say this smells strongly of more anti-Russian propaganda. We are living in rotten times and the media is not to be trusted.

[BobL]

“In short, Russia invited the President of Poland, Lech Kaczynski, to attend a ceremony honoring WWII Polish officers executed by the Soviets in the Katyn Massacre near Smolensk.”

Actually, I’m more interested in why Putin was honoring the massacred Polish officers. Based on what I’ve read here and the media, shouldn’t Putin be CELEBRATING the ‘Great Achievement’ and having a national holiday instead?

[Nextrush]

The weather was very bad that day and the plane took off anyway.

No one can deny what happened at Katyn Wood during World War 2 when Stalin murdered thousands of Polish officers.

But the Poles were planning a major commemoration of the massacre that day and there was pressure on the crew to take off for the next planned stop.

[Nextrush]

Polish nationalist propaganda here which can get pretty dicey.

Polish nationalists also deny that any Poles collaborated with the Nazis during World War 2 and that has incensed Israel and caused controversy between Poland and Israel in the past.

Poland has even criminalized writing about the notion that Polish people collaborated with the Nazis during World War 2.

[WoofDog123]

theory at the time was they had been given bad nav info (they couldn’t see). there was a video floating around of a group on site just after the crash. poor quality. allegedly shows a survivor being shot.

[ptsal]

Twelve years is nothing.

What about the details surrounding JFK’s assassination?

Coverups take a long time to bury.

[BobL]

“Polish nationalist propaganda here which can get pretty dicey.”

Yea, we see that right here!

[Dr. Franklin]

Read the accident report. Such claims are sheer lunacy.it was a classic combination of Polish incompetence, Russian incompetence, bad weather, and serious VIP interference with the crews decision making.

The official Russian weather report is disputed, and contradicted by videos at the time of the crash. The debris field looks like the plane exploded, rather than skimmed the tree tops. The first report, to which Tusk concurred, is about as credible as the Warren Commission Report. You still need to explain the "lunacy" of Russia refusing to return Polish Air Force One after over 12 years. That in itself is damning. If the Tusk-Putin theory of the crash is correct, and not just propaganda, the plane should have been returned long ago.

[Dr. Franklin]

theory at the time was they had been given bad nav info (they couldn’t see). there was a video floating around of a group on site just after the crash. poor quality. allegedly shows a survivor being shot.

More likely, the plane was shot down close to the ground by missile fire. The deceased had their wallets stolen and withdraws were attempted from their bank accounts from Russian ATMs. Bodies parts were mixed up in the caskets. Nothing that Putin does should surprise anyone, but people in the West who cut deals with Putin like Merkel and Tusk are all disgraced now.

[tlozo]

The words of the former President of the Republic of Poland Lech Kaczyński, which he said in 2008 in Georgia, are being recalled all over the world today:

" We are here to express our full solidarity with you,” Poland’s then-President Lech Kaczynski declared in an August 2008 speech in Tbilisi, Georgia. He called on the European Union and NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) to meet Russia’s recent invasion of the former Soviet republic with resolute opposition.

“We know perfectly well that while today is time for Georgia, tomorrow it may be for Ukraine, then for the Baltic States, and later, perhaps, for my own country, Poland,” said Lech Kaczyński.

"The prescience of his (Lech Kaczyński – editor’s note) warning in Tbilisi remains unquestionable,” wrote O’Neal.

[Dr. Franklin]

I find it very suspicious that these “findings” took 12 years years to be determined/released, and they are released right at a time of strong anti-Russian public sentiment. In fact, I would say this smells strongly of more anti-Russian propaganda. We are living in rotten times and the media is not to be trusted.

Is it anti-Russian propaganda that Russia has refused to return the wreckage of Polish AF1 to Poland, or is that a fact?

How does anyone write a conclusive report without the wreckage?

What inference should be drawn from the refusal to return the plane?

[BiglyCommentary]

“theory at the time was they had been given bad nav info”

That was the prevailing consensus right here 12 years ago. An intentional setup.

[Lurker]

So why not return the wreckage?

(This should be good)

L

[Dr. Franklin]

Polish nationalist propaganda here which can get pretty dicey.

That Marek Edelman guy was a real Polish nationalist. He was an Anti-Zionist, which was quite surprising from a Polish Jew.

Polish nationalists also deny that any Poles collaborated with the Nazis during World War 2 and that has incensed Israel and caused controversy between Poland and Israel in the past.

And the Holocaust industry denies that Jewish collaborators in the ghettos collaborated with the Nazis and made the Holocaust worse. It has nothing to do with this story either.

Poland has even criminalized writing about the notion that Polish people collaborated with the Nazis during World War 2.

And Israel and many other countries have made it a crime to deny the Holocaust. They don't share American First Amendment freedoms. So what?

[Cronos]

In Poland we’ve known Putin was behind it since 2010

[Paladin2]

LV shooting info seems rather sparse.

[SoCal Pubbie]

All Part of Putin’s Plan.©️