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Biden Pushes ATF Rule Change to Promote Ineffective Weapon Tracing
AmmoLand ^ | April 14, 2022 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 04/21/2022 5:26:23 AM PDT by marktwain

On 11 April 2022, the Biden administration released the final version of a proposed rule which changes the definition of what is a firearm. The rule was signed by Attorney General Merrick Garland on April 10th. The final rule published in the Federal Register will be the definitive copy.

In the last days of the Johnson administration, in 1968, President Johnson managed to push through an unpopular, ineffective, and costly bill: the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA 1968). Johnson’s legendary ability to twist arms and manage votes, supported by an all-out onslaught in the media, used the assassination of Robert Kennedy as the crisis needed to pass the bill.

President Johnson was disappointed the bill did not include national registration of all guns and a national carry permit system. From presidency.uscb, quoting Johnson in his public remarks on GCA 1968:

Congress adopted most of our recommendations. But this bill–as big as this bill is–still falls short, because we just could not get the Congress to carry out the requests we made of them. I asked for the national registration of all guns and the licensing of those who carry those guns. For the fact of life is that there are over 160 million guns in this country–more firearms than families. If guns are to be kept out of the hands of the criminal, out of the hands of the insane, and out of the hands of the irresponsible, then we just must have licensing. If the criminal with a gun is to be tracked down quickly, then we must have registration in this country.

In the late 1960s, it was thought gun registration and licensing would reduce violent crime. The definitive studies of English gun control failure

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The Biden Administration (via the ATF) wants to make it harder for people to make their own guns.

Just a variation of the theme "Guns are Bad".

1 posted on 04/21/2022 5:26:23 AM PDT by marktwain
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I am curious to know what the procedure would be to request a serial number for a home made gun. Is it free or do I have to pay for the request? Do you have to request a serial number before you start building a home made gun or after it is finished? How long can you have a finished gun before you have to make the request?

If it is free and the request is required before you start building a gun, everyone who believes in the 2A, should request a number. The number of guns in the US would appear to explode. If they come looking for that gun, you just changed your mind and never built it. Talk about ghost guns, these would be guns that exist on paper only.


2 posted on 04/21/2022 5:45:16 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting.)
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To: marktwain

On the other hand, since I live in a “may issue” state, a national carry permit might not be such a bad idea.

I might actually be able to get one. /shock


3 posted on 04/21/2022 5:48:00 AM PDT by sauropod (So may we start? It's time to start. High time to start.)
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You need to live in a “shall issue” state.


4 posted on 04/21/2022 5:54:49 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: super7man
I am curious to know what the procedure would be to request a serial number for a home made gun. Is it free or do I have to pay for the request? Do you have to request a serial number before you start building a home made gun or after it is finished? How long can you have a finished gun before you have to make the request?

There is no federal requirement for a serial number for a homemade gun.

Some states have a requirement, such as California. I have heard the bureaucratic requirements for obtaining a serial number in California, are so burdensome, that no one has been able to obtain such a number for a homemade gun.

5 posted on 04/21/2022 5:59:34 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: sauropod
a national carry permit might not be such a bad idea.

At the time, I am sure the Johnson administration idea for a national gun license was to follow the British model.

Make the license relatively easy, but "may issue" at first. Then keep making it more and more restrictive, until very few have it.

6 posted on 04/21/2022 6:01:46 AM PDT by marktwain
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If the criminal with a gun is to be tracked down quickly, then we must have registration in this country.

Hey, hey, LBJ, why don't you just go away? CRIMINALS DO NOT OBEY LAWS. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY'D OBEY A REGISTRATION LAW?

7 posted on 04/21/2022 6:05:09 AM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Militia to the border! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: PROCON

Ping.


8 posted on 04/21/2022 6:07:00 AM PDT by Joe Brower ("Might we not live in a nobler dream than this?" -- John Ruskin)
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….say what you will about McConnell, but he kept this Garland hack off the SC....


9 posted on 04/21/2022 6:09:45 AM PDT by wny ( )
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To: carriage_hill
You need to live in a “shall issue” state.

Better a Constitutional Carry state. No permit requirement of any kind complies with the second amendment. What do they fail to comprehend about "shall not be infringed", anyway?

10 posted on 04/21/2022 6:10:09 AM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Militia to the border! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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Hey, hey, LBJ, why don't you just go away? CRIMINALS DO NOT OBEY LAWS. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY'D OBEY A REGISTRATION LAW?

I do not think LBJ ever believed his own rhetoric. He was not stupid, just evil.

Registration has never been effective in stopping crime. Reducing crime is just an excuse governments use because they want total control over their populations.

That is what Constable Greenwood and Professor Joyce Lee Malcomb discovered in their independent research of the English gun laws.

It never was about crime.

It always was about control.

11 posted on 04/21/2022 6:10:50 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Article is right, plenty of older American made guns without serial numbers, and some foreign, and a lot still being used.

I had an old Bernardelli .25 caliber pistol with no serial number. I sold it to a collector and took it to a local gunshop to get it shipped (much easier for an FFL to ship a pistol vs doing it yourself). I was worried about the lack of serial number but the lady who did the paperwork just wrote ‘NSN’ in the place for the serial number. She said they handled a lot of old guns without them. She stuck it in a small Priority Mail Flat Rate box and off it went.


12 posted on 04/21/2022 6:19:39 AM PDT by Roadrunner383 (;)
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13 posted on 04/21/2022 6:20:24 AM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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I think we have 24-25 CC states now, but at 72 I’m not holding my breath that PA will join them. The GOP here are gutless, as usual.


14 posted on 04/21/2022 6:34:17 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: JimRed

This statement was patently stupid then, and (amazing!) still stupid today.

LBJ, Moronic Master of Incompetence.


15 posted on 04/21/2022 6:48:22 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: carriage_hill
I think we have 24-25 CC states now, but at 72 I’m not holding my breath that PA will join them. The GOP here are gutless, as usual.

PA voted to join them this year, with a considerable margin, on a partisan, party line vote.

Then your Democrat governor vetoed the bill.

I expect them to go Constitutional Carry when they get a Republican governor.

16 posted on 04/21/2022 7:18:50 AM PDT by marktwain
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Meanwhile Biden is sending thousands of man portable surface to air missiles to unvetted militants in Ukraine. What could go wrong?


17 posted on 04/21/2022 7:40:00 AM PDT by bhl
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To: super7man
If you create a regulated item (firearm receiver, short barreled rifle, "silencer") from raw materials with no existing serial number, you must submit a Form 1 to ATF describing your business, describing the part, identifying the manufacturer, model and serial number you have assigned. You can't manufacture it until the ATF approves the Form 1 and accepts the $200 tax. If you built using an already manufactured item e.g. an Anderson AR-15 stripped lower where the manufacturer, model and serial number are present, then you just enter that information on the Form 1. Again, you can't assemble the finished part until you have the approved ATF tax stamp in hand. If disapproved, the Anderson lower can still be assembled into a non-NFA regulated firearm e.g. a rifle with a 16 inch barrel on the upper.

If your Form 1 creation is part of an NFA trust, you need to engrave the trust identification on the part with engraving deep enough to meet ATF requirements. I paid a local FFL with a specialized CNC milling machine to engrave my lower (still stripped to ease placement in the CNC mill).

18 posted on 04/21/2022 7:46:36 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Form 1 applies to NFA items - the receiver would have to be a full-auto receiver for this to be applicable.


19 posted on 04/21/2022 7:54:41 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: super7man
My comments are specifically relevant to create an ATF NFA regulated firearm. If you have a non-serialized, 80% lower (not a firearm) and finish it into working order AND create a non-NFA regulated finished device, then the serial number is not required, BUT it is for your own personal use. Not for sale.

Doing the finish work usually requires special tools, a fair bit of skill and time. I don't own those kind of tools, yet my tool investment for assembling an AR is still significant. Special torque wrenches, roll pin punches, jigs for holding parts in position for assembly, caliber specific go/no-go chamber gauges, lubricants, staking punches for BCG gas keys, a burring tool for securing a gas block on a barrel, specialized jig to hold the barrel while torquing the barrel nut on the upper receiver. It's a lot more work and expense than the average gang banger wants to do. It's easier for them to just steal one or buy a stolen weapon from another criminal.

20 posted on 04/21/2022 8:00:16 AM PDT by Myrddin
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