[delta7]

Even if the Ukrainians aren’t winning this war and even if they lose, the Russians will not have ‘won’.
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Not in agreement. Vlad has already won. Eastern and Southern Ukraine is in rubble, it will take years to rebuild cities, infrastructure, airports, bases, depots.….which means time and money ( from US taxpayers no doubt) not spent for the Ukies rearming. Vlad has , per his speech, mostly denatzified Ukraine, and close to demilitarizing Ukraine.
Sovereign Russia is untouched, they have need of nothing, food, gas, oil, NG, metals, commodities, etc.
If you refer to casualties, you don’t know the Russians, they bury their dead then move on. The Ukies will bury their dead, then have to take a decade to rebuild ( ten percent to Joe).

[marktwain]

Vlad has , per his speech, mostly denatzified Ukraine, and close to demilitarizing Ukraine.

"Denatzify" has no military meaning. It is a propaganda word.

Demilitarizing? I do not see it. If the foreseen encirclement and destruction of the Ukrainian forces is successful, then, maybe.

The problem is Russia is losing military material about as fast as the Ukrainians, which makes it a pyrrhic victory.

When he destroys Ukrainian capacity to make weapons, he is destroying capacity which was used to arm Russia.

Maybe he is after natural resources. There might be a win there, but it is too early to tell.

[adorno]

Not in agreement. Vlad has already won.

There is no way he has won, and there is no way he can win.

Russia is and was a weak country economically, and it's the economy of a country that determines the ultimate strength of its military. A weak country cannot hold onto its territories for long. The people of the territory(ies) will look for self-government or assistance from others or will allow themselves to be taken by others. Russia is in a losing proposition. Russia cannot win, even if they are successful in Ukraine.