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Organic BS-The science just doesn't add up.
Frontpagemagazine ^ | May 18, 2022 | John Stossel

Posted on 05/18/2022 6:47:44 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: Mariner

You’re right, he’s addressing the straw man. Pesticides should have been mentioned.


21 posted on 05/18/2022 8:37:49 AM PDT by SJackson (nations that are barren of liberties are also barren of groceries, Louis Fisher)
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To: SJackson

Perfect example. There are many crops that are similar.

I am okay with most GMO foods but stop when my vegetables have flippers or my steak has feathers. Making a crop more tolerant to drought and insects is what allows us to support a growing population with higher yields.


22 posted on 05/18/2022 8:51:44 AM PDT by Dutch Boy (The only thing worse than having something taken from you is to have it returned broken. )
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To: SJackson

From the article: The idea of modifying a plant’s DNA may sound creepy, but people have cross-bred plants and animals for years.

Seems to me there is a difference between directly the natural breeding process and messing around with the actual genes, so to me this is not a good argument.

Although my main problem with GMO foods is when Monsanto sues owners of fields next to its corn and that sort of thing.


23 posted on 05/18/2022 9:27:55 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: Mariner

They use pesticides on organic crops also, nasty things like nicotine.

The current pesticides/herbicides do their thing, then break down into benign substances, unlike DDT and TEP.


24 posted on 05/18/2022 10:33:39 AM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: kaktuskid

The debate over organic food is more complex than it seems. I will just say that I prefer organic. I notice a subtle but distinct difference in how I feel when eating organic v. non-organic.

Some foods are so doped up with additives, you can’t help but feel off from some of them.


25 posted on 05/18/2022 11:01:53 AM PDT by bioqubit (bioqubit: Educated Men Make Terrible Slaves - Aristotle)
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To: Chicory

Chicory

It seems that there is some misunderstanding of the terms used.

Natural selection is just that. No outside means used to modify the outcome of an agricultural product. This is called “open pollinated”, or in older varieties “heirloom varieties”.

“Hybrid” varieties are those of the same kind, but the best of the crop is selected to pollinate in order to improve the variety. This pollination is done by hand, over a period of years, until the desired quality is produced and a seed crop can be grown for sale.

“Certified Organic” means that it is produced following a long list of strict requirements stated by the USDA. Basically that there has been no artificial fertilizer or insecticide used on the soil for the previous three years or upon the present crop.

“GMO” is the altering of a plant or animal gene, in a laboratory, by introducing a gene from a different species in order to change the original in a way that would not occur naturally. For example putting an insecticide gene into a corn plant so that when the insect bites into the corn plant the insect will be killed by the insecticide within the corn plant

WE are told that the insecticide that kills the insects is not harmful to humans.

The danger in GMO is that the company (Monsanto) that produces the GMO seed has the patent for that seed and no one else can produce or sell that seed.

So, the Agribusiness companies have a monopoly on food production world-wide.

Food production as a weapon anyone?

It is here now!!


26 posted on 05/18/2022 11:12:27 AM PDT by topsail
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To: ShadowAce

Eat up. I don’t bother with grains, organic or otherwise.


27 posted on 05/18/2022 12:30:36 PM PDT by Go_Raiders (The fact is, we really don't know anything. It's all guesswork and rationalization.)
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To: topsail

I thought hybrid was when they pollinated one plant with the pollen of a different type, in the hopes of getting the best features of each type?

Like a story I heard: scientists were trying to hybridize minks and ferrets, hoping to get an animal with great fur and a nice disposition. When they did, they called the offspring a merit.

When they got an offspring with a bad disposition and bad fur, they called it a fink.


28 posted on 05/18/2022 12:37:55 PM PDT by Chicory
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To: Chicory

I assume in the example you give, the animals are closely related species. horses of different breeds can mate and produce offspring. I believe that horse and donkey mating can produce the mule. Goats can breed with other breeds of goat but not with a pig.

Tomatos can be cross pollenated with a different variety of tomato, for example. Different varieties within a species. But You can not cross a tomato with an okra or eggplant because it is of a different species.

I may not be explaining this very well but I think you can figure it out.


29 posted on 05/18/2022 1:54:38 PM PDT by topsail
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To: G Larry

That was one of the options listed.


30 posted on 05/18/2022 2:09:17 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: topsail

Well, it was a story I heard, maybe more for the fun value of the names.

Apparently some polecats can mate with some minks and some polecats can mate with some ferrets. I only see allusions to mink-ferret hybrids, so may not be possible.

Yes, hybrids have to be closely related, and it usually doesn’t happen in the wild.


31 posted on 05/18/2022 5:50:32 PM PDT by Chicory
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To: G Larry

Most cornfields are doused in Round-up weed killer. I prefer that my corn is not.

Is this an unscientific concern?


Yes it is. Unless you are a plant or have plant genes and have received a dose within the past week. In that case, your roots will begin to die, and your body will wither away.

But not to worry, your seeds will sprout because the glyphosate has dissipated and is breaking down into simple compounds.

If, I say if, you are human your biggest risk would be drinking the commercial 46% concentrate (not the 3-4% in stores). That would be guaranteed to give you a very bad stomach ache, and in the only known instance of drinking that concentrate, kill you.


32 posted on 05/19/2022 4:30:07 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF

You can have my share.


33 posted on 05/19/2022 6:59:44 AM PDT by G Larry (Anybody notice that Satan is hard at work?)
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To: G Larry

So you have plant genes? Interesting. Even though there is no more chemical left when it gets to you? Live life, or live in fear.


34 posted on 05/19/2022 7:39:41 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF
Quit assigning conclusions I didn't present.

There is no reason I should live by your assertions of safety.

35 posted on 05/19/2022 9:14:51 AM PDT by G Larry (Anybody notice that Satan is hard at work?)
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To: G Larry

I assigned nothing you are misreading, but that would be typical of a glyphosate fearing plant.


36 posted on 05/19/2022 9:23:33 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Badboo

I agree with your view.

There are too many liars out there in the large institutions and corporations.

Trust no one.


37 posted on 05/19/2022 9:28:02 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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