Posted on 07/21/2022 4:35:13 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
Lawyers for Kim Davis, the former Kentucky county clerk who received international attention for denying same-sex couples marriage licenses, say the 6-3 Republican-appointed majority on the Supreme Court could absolve her of wrongdoing after a series of religious liberty decisions.
With representation from Christian nonprofit organization Liberty Counsel, her lawyers said in a July 15 filing that the high court has decided three cases that are "sharpening and amplifying the free exercise rights" at the core of Davis's qualified immunity defense, which she argues are her sincerely held religious beliefs against same-sex marriage.
She's been in legal battles since 2015, and now, her counsel cites the Supreme Court’s recent pro-religious liberty decisions siding with a Christian baker who refused to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding, a high school coach who prayed on the football field, and a ruling in favor of religious charity groups' refusal to send foster children into same-sex couples' homes.
Attorneys filed their latest arguments earlier this month with the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati for Davis's bid for a full-court review of her appeal. Additionally, the circuit court now leans more conservative following former President Donald Trump's appointment of six judges to the federal bench.
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Govt needs to get out of the marriage business and just do property and probate law. I can give my property to anyone I chose, by simple will or codicil. There are civil remedies for conflict.
That’s how Israel does it.
Marriage is treated as both a religious rite and a private contract that the government has little to do with.
This is the U.S. Never underestimate our ability to have government stick its nose into something. Even a religious marriage ceremony can't be conducted until a government issued marriage license is obtained first.
That’s the English way. We have plenty of that and they only occupied us for a couple of decades.
They came, they left, they left behind their bureaucrats. Combine that with our Deep State socialists who are firmly entrenched in our courts and executive “branch” (not really how it works), we drown in useless forms and fees.
I got fined one time for fixing a toilet (correctly) in the officer’s stand-by barracks (where you sleep if your plane is sitting by ready to fly when the klaxon goes off).
“Govt needs to get out of the marriage business and just do property and probate law.”
Agreed. But I must say that our side demanded the government get involved by defending and defining marriage. That was a huge mistake.
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Marriage is a Biblical construct, created by Almighty God when He created Adam & Eve. The Federal Government has NO BUSINESS redefining God’s creation of marriage, period.
That abomination Obergefell must be overturned, period.
Our own stupid government did that for the same reason the King of England at the time, did it: revenue generation. Look it up, it's 100% true.
“Even a religious marriage ceremony can’t be conducted until a government issued marriage license is obtained first.”
Nonsense. Of course it can. Sure, some “minister” might say he can’t pronounce someone “married” by the laws of the state, but in all other regards, a couple can commit to each other and in public via a ceremony and be regarded in the common community as “married.” But does the union (”marriage”) have official governmental recognition and confer legal rights to the partners and offspring of the union if it’s “only” a religious (or pagan or simple) ceremony without a government issued marriage license? Perhaps not. Depends on the state.
You can live as husband and wife for 40 years, whether you had a ceremony of any kind, and be counted as a “common law” marriage with full marriage rights if your state has that as its law or precedent. But move to Florida, and no common law marriage is recognized whatsoever, so that’s just two old folks (still) shacking up together. That’s probably true after just a private religious or other ceremony without a government-issued marriage certificate. That piece of paper is needed in Florida for claiming and control of burial rights, family assets, and retirement and other benefits.
But I’m not an attorney. This is just what I’ve seen.
The baker, in the course of his private sector means of living, is being compelled to make creative works that are tantamount to endorsing something that go against his faith.
A paid public servant is refusing to carry out her duties because she disagrees who should be legally married. There’s no equivalence here. NONE. Public servants cannot pick and choose what constituents to serve based on their personal preferences. She’s in the wrong line of work.
What was their excuse for fining you? Sounds like something some prick base maintenance officer would do.
The idea to fine you probably did not originate with the flyers. In my experience, the pilots respected highly the enlisted people who maintained the aircraft.
We've redefined it time and again over history. Obergfell is just the latest.
The sooner the better. Even California had voted that marriage should be between one man and one woman. Even that short time ago, everyone knew what a woman is. We need to stop pretending that homosexuality is normal.
I don’t see her arguments holding much water either. But it would not surprise me at all if she does file, and if she does this could well wind up before the Supreme Court.
Commitment and religious ceremonies happened between those who could not legally marry. At issue was whether it had force of family law. No matter what the contract looked like, there was nothing on the level of the rights, protections and responsibilities that went with a legally recognized marriage. That’s the whole reason the case got to SCOTUS.
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Yeah. Those cases of the Christian baker, the religious organization and even the football coach aren’t on point. The coach is praying at work, not avoiding the duties of his job. The baker is a private sector situation engaged in creative services. The religious organization is protected from undo influence of secularism. She chose to be employed as a county clerk. She should accept the consequences.
Gov’t got involved probably to stop incestuous marriages, which it still needs to do.
For clarity, I was (and am) a pilot.
The potty was particularly important to me when on standby as all food would express through me without stopping for digestion.
No clue who tattled, but it cost me a week pay.
“Gov’t got involved probably to stop incestuous marriages, which it still needs to do.”
No, it got involved because Rome and England each imposed a fee on marriage.
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