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Judge refuses to remove Visa from Pornhub child porn lawsuit
NY Post ^ | July l31, 2022 | Elizabeth Rosner Jesse O'Neill

Posted on 08/02/2022 5:44:43 AM PDT by thinden

A federal judge ruled Friday that Visa helped Pornhub “monetize child porn” and sex trafficking ....

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: childporn; mindgeek; pornhub; trafficking; visa
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1 posted on 08/02/2022 5:44:43 AM PDT by thinden
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To: bitt; ransomnote; little jeremiah

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2 posted on 08/02/2022 5:45:29 AM PDT by thinden (buckle up.....)
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To: thinden

Then the US Dollar should also allow the government to be sued for illegal sales.


3 posted on 08/02/2022 5:53:16 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: thinden

If it is so bad, which it is, why not stop it at the start. Cancel the video distribution versus sending it out and poisoning people.


4 posted on 08/02/2022 5:55:08 AM PDT by keving (We the government )
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To: thinden

On morality this is a good ruling BUT the ramifications are very troubling. Think of this, VISA being sued because they financed a gun sale for one that killed someone or a car that was sold to a unlicensed driver who ran someone over. So I hope that decision is undone.


5 posted on 08/02/2022 5:58:24 AM PDT by Mouton (The enemy of the people is the media )
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To: thinden

The problem came when Visa started refusing services for political reasons. That meant that Visa could pick and choose their clients therefore they were responsible when one of their clients was breaking the law and Visa ignored it.


6 posted on 08/02/2022 6:00:18 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: AppyPappy; keving; Mouton; ConservativeMind

interesting topic.

thanx for adding your comments for discussion


7 posted on 08/02/2022 6:13:31 AM PDT by thinden (buckle up.....)
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To: thinden

Deep State wants something from Visa.

Betcha.


8 posted on 08/02/2022 6:13:57 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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To: thinden

Deep State to Visa: you WILL comply when the government “suggests” that some industry (firearms, “hate” websites, etc) is “problematic” and you should not process transactions for them.


9 posted on 08/02/2022 6:18:58 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (We live in a time where intelligent people are being silenced so stupid people won’t be offended)
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To: thinden

LOL, I remember when folks were saying that pornhub is just about amateurs having fun. Yeah.

There are so many advocates for “pr0n is free speech” and “do you want for us to be just like Saudi Arabia? Huh? Huh?!!” out there that one has to think for a moment before making even such a prosaic, axiomatic statement as:

Pornography always ends up being about the increasingly violent and brutal exploitation and abuse of minors and disabled people, and animals. It never goes anywhere else! Therefore it is at best only about free speech in the most marginal, abstract sense of the word.

But that’s the benefit of one’s name being mud. One gets to make these outrageous statements that will upset absolutely everyone (except those who are being abused).

The fans of pr0n will use the same sorts of examples as fans of abortion do to make their case, that is, the most outrageously rare of examples:

A fun-loving young couple make a sex vid and share it with a few of their friends. All in the spirit of fun and partying. Some hung-up magistrate finds out and goes after them and they are put in prison. Their lives are ruined. Just because they are not prudes, y’all! Is this not the most unfair of unfairnesses?

This is the same excuse, pretty much, as: A rape victim goes to the county hospital, where doctors and nurses hear her saying she doesn’t want to bear her rapist’s child. They immediately inform law enforcement, who all team up with the hospital medical staff to force her, 40 weeks later, to give birth. (Like that’s all they’re there for, right?)

I don’t think pr0n should be outlawed unless it’s patently illegal - but a typical pr0n vid often shows people doing things that will get you busted out in the real world. The excuse that it keeps rapists from raping is like saying that normalizing homosexuality will keep homos from going after kids. Hm. Yeah. Right.

“Free speech” is not a “get out of jail free” card.

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The decision was made in connection with a suit filed by a woman who claims Pornhub dragged its heels after she warned it was hosting an explicit video taken of her when she was 13 — at one point requiring photographic evidence that she was the same child in the video.

After several weeks, the clip, entitled “13-Year Old Brunette Shows Off For the Camera,” was taken down but reuploaded on other MindGeek sites in 2014, garnering millions of views and earning the company advertising money facilitated by Visa, the victim alleged. The illicit clip was still on the company’s sites as recently as 2020, according to the suit.

The plaintiff fell into a deep depression, tried to kill herself and became a heroin user after her unwanted infamy, she claimed. Still underage, she began acting in other porn videos produced by an older man to support her habit, the lawsuit said.

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Haha, how popular are 13-year-old brunettes out there compared to 35-year-old waitresses who had a bad tip week? I would guess that the woman trying to have the video removed from the internet probably let to a lot of the subsequent interest, too: Oh, look! She’s trying to get away!


10 posted on 08/02/2022 6:21:36 AM PDT by Scarlett156 (Carol's been here. ~~ Sheriff Rick Grimes in TV version of "The Walking Dead")
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To: keving
One of the articles of faith of the left is that they fervently believe there are too many people on the planet. Some think the historical level of half a billion is what the planet can support, some think that technology has advanced to the point we can support around two billion.

Homosexuality takes part of the population out of the reproduction pool.

Child porn can multiply that effect by removing both the consumer and the child victim, who will most likely grow up to be a dysfunctional leftist without natural affection as result of the abuse.

Once you understand that goal, then you will understand why the left is so wildly gung ho on abortion and all forms of sexual dysfunction and deviance. A handful of them are even honest enough to admit it.

11 posted on 08/02/2022 6:22:53 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: thinden

This type of ruling could easily result in credit card companies refusing to deal with MAGA groups being sued.


12 posted on 08/02/2022 6:23:50 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: thinden
How does a credit card company assist in spreading illegal stuff?
13 posted on 08/02/2022 6:34:58 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Ballots)
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To: AppyPappy
That’s really when they messed up. What little I’ve read I have trouble holding Visa accountable unless they took steps to willfully ignore activity at the site if it was reported to them. Did they not alert law enforcement, etc. You could say the same thing about visa giving cards to anyone with a criminal record or if a retailer has been used to launder money like maybe the 9/11 terrorists. It’s a slippery slope but if Visa and other payment processors are not politically agnostic they better be ready for accountability. This ridiculous nonsense that Trump should be demonetized into irrelevance when election results clearly demonstrate he represents a majority or near majority of Americans has to stop.

The Left’s branding MAGA and America First as “white supremacy” was “good” political strategy but scandalously divisive, false, and harmful to the body politic.

If we’re judging on the actions of the fringe the Democrats have a lot to answer for and should not exist. If their woke cancel culture activities were applied to themselves that party ceases to exist because of its history with slavery at the very least. We need a disruptive movement to rightly tie their brand to slavery and institutional racism. These are the same people who killed Aunt Jemima, toppled statues and are trying to rename everything and rewrite and suppress history.

14 posted on 08/02/2022 6:44:11 AM PDT by newzjunkey (“We Did It Joe!” -The Taliban / “Thanks Joe!” -Putin)
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To: Socon-Econ

This type of ruling could easily result in credit card companies refusing to deal with MAGA groups being sued.

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aren’t we already seeing this with payment companies like pay pal or go fund me?


15 posted on 08/02/2022 6:56:11 AM PDT by thinden (buckle up.....)
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To: Mouton

Exactly. Using the horror of child porn to bully a precedent for the real goal.


16 posted on 08/02/2022 7:03:33 AM PDT by iamgalt
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To: thinden

Correct.

Visa and other CC providers and being pushed to stop transactions from gun companies.

An interesting case. If Visa had actionable knowledge of the offense, maybe. But I suspect it is falling under money laundering, and that is a different set of standards.


17 posted on 08/02/2022 7:04:37 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: newzjunkey

You could say the same thing about visa giving cards to anyone with a criminal record . . . .

= = =

How about those gift cards for guns at the Madison, Wis gun ‘buy back’?


18 posted on 08/02/2022 7:06:11 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (My /s is more true than your /science (or you might mean /seance))
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To: Scarlett156
Pornography always ends up being about the increasingly violent and brutal exploitation and abuse of minors and disabled people, and animals. It never goes anywhere else! Therefore it is at best only about free speech in the most marginal, abstract sense of the word.

How very fascist of you to judge free expression on the most fringe elements. Let’s apply your standard to firearms or religions. Where people are involved there will always be some exploitation and abuse. Hopefully it stays on the margins.

Pornography has definitely become democratized through the rise of technology. I’m not sure how much of that site’s content you think is represented by fetish or illegal material but it hasn’t been shut down and is apparently popular.

From other coverage this seems like a case involving a California law and trying to say Visa as payment processor profits from underage content. The ramifications move beyond banks protecting organized crime to potentially making guns impossible to obtain because a manufacturer is held liable for misuse of its products. Unless they can show Visa failed to act, failed to report illegal underage activity this case makes little sense. On the other hand Visa has made payment processing choices based on politics so they opened themselves up to this.

19 posted on 08/02/2022 7:08:41 AM PDT by newzjunkey (“We Did It Joe!” -The Taliban / “Thanks Joe!” -Putin)
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To: thinden

They wont let people buy guns with citibank. But sex trafficingbis ok, it’s just slaverape.


20 posted on 08/02/2022 8:27:21 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It ( )
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