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Removal of Soviet monuments is controversial
Get To Text ^ | 6 August 2022 | Oliver Adey

Posted on 08/13/2022 5:11:40 PM PDT by MercyFlush

The Estonian government wants to ban the memory of the Soviet past from public life. Riots and Russian cyber attacks cannot be ruled out. At the center of the controversy is an old tank.

Lenin got it: his statue still stands in Estonia’s third-largest city, Narva, but it was moved to a secluded, walled-in corner in the courtyard in the 1990s. In the summer, the Russian revolutionary leader was surrounded by an ugly construction site fence.

If the Estonian government under Prime Minister Kaja Kallas has its way, all Soviet monuments in the small Baltic state should disappear from public view. And as quickly as possible – that’s what Kallas announced on Thursday.

With the beginning of the Ukraine war, the debates about Soviet monuments in the Baltic States flared up again. Estonia’s neighbor Latvia has already taken it seriously: All Soviet monuments must be removed from Latvian soil by November 15.

In Estonia, this decision harbors enormous potential for social disruption. Because about a quarter of the Estonian population are ethnic Russians. Older people in particular feel connected to Russia and the legacy of the Soviet Union. The announcement also brings back memories of the worst riots since Estonia’s independence in 1991.

15 years ago, in April 2007, the so-called bronze soldier was transferred from the center of the capital Tallinn to the outskirts. The memorial commemorated the Soviet “liberation” of Estonia in World War II. Two days of violent protests followed: Russian-speaking youths rioted, torched cars and looted shops. Over a hundred people were injured, one man was stabbed. On top of that. Russia launched a large-scale cyber attack against Estonia. It was the first time a nation-state had been the victim of such coordinated hacking.

Today it is not the bronze soldier, but a tank that heats up tempers. About 200 to 400 Soviet monuments still stand in Estonia. But the old T-34 tank near Narva in the predominantly Russian-speaking east of Estonia is at the center of the debate about the culture of remembrance. It stands at the point where Soviet soldiers crossed the Narva River and drove the German occupiers out of the city. The river today marks the Estonian-Russian state border.

After the first rumors about the removal of the tank began to circulate in public on Wednesday afternoon, about 150 people gathered at the monument in the evening, according to the Estonian public broadcaster. Some wanted to stay the night to prevent an alleged removal of the tank.

Relocating the tank is legally problematic. Because the central government can only decide on the relocation of war memorials with human remains. Other monuments, like the tank at Narva, are the responsibility of the local administration.

Prime Minister Kaja Kallas admitted that the city of Narva has the right to decide the fate of the tank. “But because it is clear that Narva itself will not intervene, the Estonian state and government must make the decision to move this and other monuments of symbolic value,” said Kallas.

The corresponding law would have to be changed for this. Foreign Minister Urmas Reinsalu has already suggested calling MPs back from the summer break so that they can vote on a change in the law as quickly as possible.

Nevertheless, it would be wrong to blame the entire Russian-speaking minority in Estonia should the monument dispute escalate, says Karsten Brüggemann. He is Professor of General and Estonian History at Tallinn University and researches the history of Russian-Baltic relations. «In April, 2007 hasn’t the Russian minority demonstrated against the implementation of the bronze soldier. There were a few hundred – partly incited by the Russian embassy”.

However, even now, riots cannot be ruled out. “You’ll always find those few hundred who would salute a Russian tank. Especially in Narva,” says Brüggemann. “But that doesn’t mean that the majority of Russian-speaking Estonians are behind it. On the contrary: This is a radical, dissatisfied minority whose displeasure could unfortunately be activated again.”


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Given the insistence of so many pro-Putin posters that the USSR is not the same as the Russian Federation then any argument that the Baltics have to maintain the monuments of a fallen empire are null and void.

It's time to remove these monuments to rape and conquest. If Russia wants them then Russia should come get them. But they have no place on the soil of other nations who were enslaved by the USSR and who are now free.

1 posted on 08/13/2022 5:11:40 PM PDT by MercyFlush
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To: All

Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. History has stopped


2 posted on 08/13/2022 5:16:18 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. History has stopped

Sure, monuments to the Unknown Russian rapists in former Soviet Captive Nations should not be taken down.

3 posted on 08/13/2022 5:19:48 PM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: MercyFlush

When did Neocons join with the left in pulling down monuments?


4 posted on 08/13/2022 5:20:58 PM PDT by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

Remember Sergei, I’m not answering your questions until you post your crap about me or post an apology.

Anyone curious about this can check my home page.


5 posted on 08/13/2022 5:22:06 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: MercyFlush

The T-34 is the tank that beat the nazis. I wouldn’t mind having it in my yard


6 posted on 08/13/2022 5:24:07 PM PDT by dynachrome (“We cannot save Ukraine by dooming the US economy.” Rand Paul)
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To: JonPreston

They’re not monuments, Comrade John

they’re deliberate symbols of oppression ... get rid of them ASAP

USSR was a monster ... and Russia is continuing where it left off

Estonia can do whatever it wants within its own borders, it’s a sovereign country

guess you forgot that part, Comrade John


7 posted on 08/13/2022 5:25:47 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: JonPreston

Neocons are leftists so they probably support destroying confederate statues and ones to Columbus too (at least in private).


8 posted on 08/13/2022 5:27:12 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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To: dynachrome

Here’s your chance to live your dream!

https://tehclub.com/products/t34-85-1944-1944-g


9 posted on 08/13/2022 5:28:13 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: MercyFlush
No place for Soviet/Russian monuments in former Soviet satellites that are now independent nations.

It's like having a statue of King George III at the National Mall in Washington, D.C.

10 posted on 08/13/2022 5:29:27 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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When did Neocons join with the left in pulling down monuments?

The people demolishing the "monuments" are victims of the USSR (i.e. the left) and the victims' descendents. They don't have the foggiest idea what a neocon is and couldn't care less.

Hey "Preston", got a better commie troll farm talking point?

11 posted on 08/13/2022 5:29:29 PM PDT by Hamiltonian
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To: MercyFlush

“Prime Minister Kaja Kallas admitted that the city of Narva has the right to decide the fate of the tank. “But because it is clear that Narva itself will not intervene, the Estonian state and government must make the decision to move this and other monuments of symbolic value,” said Kallas.“

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This is horseshit. The Estonian state and government have no right to make the decision.


12 posted on 08/13/2022 5:29:48 PM PDT by youngidiot (Race is irrelevant to everyone except the racists )
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To: MercyFlush
What do you do with the FReeper IPs you gather?

These are posted on your blog

HERE


13 posted on 08/13/2022 5:29:59 PM PDT by JonPreston
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To: MercyFlush

The shipping cost might be a bit stout.


14 posted on 08/13/2022 5:31:32 PM PDT by dynachrome (“We cannot save Ukraine by dooming the US economy.” Rand Paul)
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To: Hamiltonian
The people demolishing the "monuments" are victims of the USSR (i.e. the left) and the victims' descendents (SIC).

Like those on the left claiming to connected to slavery?

15 posted on 08/13/2022 5:32:56 PM PDT by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

Remember Sergei, I’m not answering your questions until you post your crap about me or post an apology.

Anyone curious about this can check my home page.


16 posted on 08/13/2022 5:36:09 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: JonPreston

You seem to have offended the toilet boy.

Good job !


17 posted on 08/13/2022 5:37:46 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: MercyFlush
I’m not answering your questions

Your refusal is the indictment.

18 posted on 08/13/2022 5:38:36 PM PDT by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston
Like those on the left claiming to connected to slavery?

"Preston"

Your crash course in English as a second language has obviously failed. The Kremlin should demand their money back from your online instructor, or at least feed them a polonium cocktail for this failure.

19 posted on 08/13/2022 5:39:32 PM PDT by Hamiltonian
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To: canuck_conservative

Unlike the Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania & Estonia were independent countries.

Now, when are you going to clean up Canada, hoser ?


20 posted on 08/13/2022 5:39:32 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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