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Tech Tool Offers Police ‘Mass Surveillance on a Budget’
The Associated Press ^ | September 1, 2022 | By GARANCE BURKE and JASON DEAREN

Posted on 09/01/2022 7:00:37 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: MercyFlush
How can it track a phone that’s shut off and not radiating?

Some "burner" phones never truly shut off. They reduce the rate at which they ping the cell phone towers in order to save battery life.

Put one inside a faraday cage with an RF monitor and watch how often that phone "lights up". It will be every 10-30 minutes when that phone is supposedly turned off.

Yes, that feature was designed into the phones at the requirement of various governments, so the phones could be tracked. The phone carriers are fully cooperative with such programs and will supply call logs and tracking logs on request to authorized government agencies.

Think of a cell phone as a government-sponsored personal tracking device with a 90-day memory and you have a reasonable assessment of what you are carrying.

The only way to be sure a phone is inactive is to pull the battery from the unit.

21 posted on 09/01/2022 8:21:31 AM PDT by flamberge (Those who pose the greatest danger to you are living within five miles of you.)
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To: moovova
...they’re going to realize just how boring an existence I live.

You, too?

'Face

;o]

22 posted on 09/01/2022 8:25:34 AM PDT by Monkey Face ( ~ Worrying is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do but doesn't get you anywhere. ~ )
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To: flamberge

Note that many phones batteries are not user removable.
Buy a ton of cookies,eat the cookies or not,put the phone in the tin and put the lid on tight.


23 posted on 09/01/2022 8:46:57 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isnt free)
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To: Chickensoup

Sorry, the article uou linked does NOT say a switched off phone can be tracked.

“tracking a switched off phone is a little difficult because when a phone is turned off it will stop communicating with nearby mobile towers. It can only be traced through its last location when it was switched on...”

And

“Putting your phone to Airplane mode will restrict anyone from tracking your location.”

Only exception to the “switched off” case is if you have apple and are dumb enough to always leave bluetooth on. Then again, stupid should hurt.

But Airplane Mode kills all emitted signals, period, end of story. No signals, no tracking.

What the article forgot is that even in Airplane Mode, it can RECEIVE signals. So if someone is dumb enough to leave google tracking on, technically the phone could monitorr and store pings from towers as you move. Then, when you switch off Airplane Mode, it can “phone home” google and update where ya been (but just gross location).

EE speaking.


24 posted on 09/01/2022 8:52:25 AM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Putin is behaving rationally.The war is on Biden and Obama. )
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To: reintarnation

Advertising can be reset on android, too. A bit hard to find.

But if you’ve meticulously switched off all tracking, it won’t follow you in the first place. For now, anyway. Goolag can update their tos anytime they want, and quietly implement a new method.

So keep checking.


25 posted on 09/01/2022 8:55:23 AM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Putin is behaving rationally.The war is on Biden and Obama. )
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To: flamberge

“The only way to be sure a phone is inactive is to pull the battery from the unit.”

Absolutely, 100%, true.

All modern phones have a “soft” power switch, which is constantly monitored by low level electronics. To see if you pushed it “ON.” So it’s an active circuit.

Without actually cutting batt power with a mechanical switch, it’s never completely off. But they are good about powering off all transmit and receive circuitry, so as long as they are a “trustworthy “ company, you’re ok.

Sopull the battery, or use a faraday cage (which do work great, and confuse everyone monitoring).


26 posted on 09/01/2022 9:01:50 AM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Putin is behaving rationally.The war is on Biden and Obama. )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
IIRC the courts...perhaps even SCOTUS...have ruled that the cops can put one of those GPS tracking devices on your car without a warrant.I'm almost certain I've read that recently. If that's correct it seems that the same would apply here. This country's more and more like East Germany every day.
27 posted on 09/01/2022 9:10:04 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Ballots)
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To: hoosierham
...put the phone in the tin and put the lid on tight.

Or just leave the phone at home when going out for nefarious deeds. "They" will assume you are at home watching the television.

If the television reports that it wasn't running during the time of interest, you can always claim that you were reading a book. Or you could leave the television on while you are gone. Courtesy tip: turn down the volume.

If the traffic camera spots your car at an intersection and manages to read the license plate, it might draw unwanted attention, but "they" still do not know who was in the car.

You could paint your license plates with clear nail polish to defeat the IR scanners, like the Dutch used to do. That might still work.

Street cameras might catch a glimpse of you on the sidewalk, but the resolution is terrible and facial recognition algorithms are extremely unreliable. Wear different hats and some cheap reading glasses. Dress to blend with your surroundings.

No worries then.

28 posted on 09/01/2022 9:13:07 AM PDT by flamberge (Those who pose the greatest danger to you are living within five miles of you.)
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To: flamberge

> The only way to be sure a phone is inactive is to pull the battery from the unit.

And hope that is the only battery on that device ;-)


29 posted on 09/01/2022 9:53:16 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: null and void

Well, it won’t be too long until a freeware version is written by someone else and will be available to everyone. It will probably be available on SourceForge soon;-)


30 posted on 09/01/2022 10:02:06 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Land is simply a place I visit until I can return to the sea.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Fascinating that the crAP barely criticizes Fog and gives a ringing endorsement mid-story to crimes Fog has solved, but crAP flipped their wig when nearly-identical phone/location data was used to fully confirm illegal ballot harvesting in "2000 Mules".

The AP alone is enough reason to re-establish suspending habeus corpus for journolists in the US.

31 posted on 09/01/2022 10:41:15 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"This country's more and more like East Germany every day."

You make good points...
However, at no point in the cold war years did East Germany (or any other communist nation) have the population-control technology that exists in this country (as well as most countries) today...

In addition, the total acceptance and subservience of the American people to the communist-imposed tyranny makes the population-control technologies even more effective...

These two elements are the key basis for knowing that Reagan's prophesied 1000 years of darkest tyranny is just about guaranteed...

On a positive note, we now are only facing the remaining 998 years of subjugation...
We must stay positive and start focusing on the 3020 elections since those might be the next honest & free ones the country ever sees...

32 posted on 09/01/2022 11:33:36 AM PDT by SuperLuminal
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yes. This is exactly what the FIB used to know who was where on Jan 6 so they could know who to go after.

This is exactly what True the Vote used to find the 2,000 mules who stuffed ballot boxes in key big cities in swing states to steal the 2020 presidential election.


33 posted on 09/01/2022 11:37:50 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

imagine if you knew the gps coordinates of ballot drop boxes in battleground states ... you could find people making ‘rounds’ back and forth stuffing all the boxes

oh wait... that’s already been shown. and the FBI couldn’t care less. go figure.


34 posted on 09/01/2022 12:07:23 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

You used to be able to reset your advertising ID in IOS. It doesn’t appear that you can do that anymore.


35 posted on 09/01/2022 12:47:02 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: Chickensoup

Did you actually read this link?


36 posted on 09/01/2022 12:55:33 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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To: reintarnation
Yep, so below a Cretan(sic) weight or age, it should have been in a car seat. Right? Ticket her for that...

Spoken like a true JBT.

37 posted on 09/01/2022 1:18:49 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: zeugma; reintarnation

please ignore the hell out of my last comment. obviously, it should have been on a different thread.


38 posted on 09/01/2022 1:20:26 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: moovova
Geez Louise...they’re going to realize just how boring an existence I live.

Your statement relies upon the assumption that governmental entities will never have an interest in you, at any point in the future. The fact that you post on places like FR would create such an interest.

Now, reflect on how many people who were in DC on Jan 6 have been sitting in jail, many identified and tracked by their cell info.

39 posted on 09/01/2022 1:24:34 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (We live in a time where intelligent people are being silenced so stupid people won’t be offended)
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To: PapaBear3625

Of course, you are right. I’m sure I’m on a buncha lists. If I ever do light out...it’s no familiar trails, no cellphone, no charge cards, all cash, sunglasses...and the dreaded med mask.


40 posted on 09/01/2022 4:25:21 PM PDT by moovova
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