Russia offers conditions to end war in Ukraine... sort of

Hotair ^ | 10/31/2022 | Jazz Shaw

[Jim Noble]

But the demands from NATO’s side of the table have been consistent in that regard

Why is NATO at the table at all?

[lee martell]

Hope so. If there’s anything to this, those two countries should do as much discussion and deciding as is diplomatically possible. Do not rely on the USA under Joe Biden and his team of dysfunctional puppeteers.

[MinorityRepublican]

Henry Kissinger is still alive. But he's 99. I don't think he can fly to a country in Eastern Europe right now. But he can probably propose a deal. Russia gets to keep Crimea. Ukraine pledges to remain neutral. Russia withdraws troops from occupied territories of Ukraine (not Crimea).

The war will end.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: Russia gets to keep Crimea. Ukraine pledges to remain neutral. Russia withdraws troops from occupied territories of Ukraine (not Crimea).

So, what happens to the Donbas regions?

What you’re describing is essentially the status quo BEFORE Russia invaded last February.

[McGruff]

Good question.

[aimhigh]

If this war were to end tomorrow, the stock market would explode. What stock would you buy?

[davidb56]

that would be what they all agreed upon in 2014 and signed documents.

[Billthedrill]

What stock would you buy?

I'd be leaning toward Twitter at the moment...

I don't see this as much progress except that a willingness to talk is inherently progress of a sort. But clearly Russia wants to (1) keep the Donbass region, and (2) keep Crimea as well. Ukraine wants to retain the former and recover the latter. Unless one side or the other is willing to settle for one and release the other to the opposition I don't see much of a compromise possible, and of course in the view of supporters of both sides, no such compromise is morally justifiable in any case. Ergo an impasse that is going to be difficult to resolve. For now.

[GOPJ]

bump for later

[Billthedrill]

I'm sorry, I put that poorly. Unless both sides are amenable to such a compromise, it won't be possible. That at the moment looks to me like an insurmountable condition. I'd love to be wrong about that.

[BenLurkin]

Just peace =

1) Return to the pre-invasion borders,
2) Russia pays reparations,
3) Ukraine commits to never join EU or NATO.

[BenLurkin]

[caww]

Actually that’s what Russia’s been saying all along.....Zelensky says no he won’t talk.

[caww]

This was presnted by Russia in March....

.....”if Ukraine agreed to sign a neutrality agreement that would bar it from entering NATO, recognized Crimea as Russian, recognized the regions of Luhansk and Donetsk as independent, and ceased all military action”.......

[Rockingham]

The terms are a nonstarter, especially with Russia demanding that concessions be made beforehand. Yet there is value is holding "informal discussions" to clarify what Russia has in mind, which is probably what Lavrov is offering. If such discussions go well, they can become negotiations in fact without the burden of announcing them as such.

As Russia's circumstances and prospects continue to deteriorate, the terms will get better and at some point a deal might be made. That will likely not be the case, but talks of any sort will provide a better understanding of Putin's frame of mind and intentions. And that is what Putin hopes to learn about the US and NATO.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: If this war were to end tomorrow, the stock market would explode. What stock would you buy?

I made profits on Energy and Agriculture stocks when Russia invaded. I would put a trailing stop on these stocks that I own as the run-up came as a result of the war.

I believe that Travel stocks could benefit from a cease-fire that reopens air and sea travel routes blocked by the conflict.

[Fido969]

I'd be leaning toward Twitter at the moment.

Lol. I think you're kind of late for that train...

[crz]

As of now the best that could be hoped for is a cease fire and hold present positions.

And even that is remote.

[McGruff]

This earned him a death threat from the Ukrainians.