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Russia U-turn on Ukraine grain shipments –rejoins deal
SC Morning Post ^ | 11/2/2022 | AFP

Posted on 11/02/2022 7:44:50 AM PDT by Alter Kaker

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To: Alter Kaker

I think you have it half a***** backwards.


21 posted on 11/02/2022 8:43:05 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: silverleaf

There are three of these in the Black Sea fleet, not two.

These to aren’t currently on fire, but the pictures dont show if they are otherwise damaged.


22 posted on 11/02/2022 8:45:13 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: silverleaf

In what way did the humanitarian corridor deal mask an attack on Crimea? Crimea is fair game to the Ukrainians.


23 posted on 11/02/2022 8:47:09 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Alter Kaker

Who will be punished for attacking the ships the last time?


24 posted on 11/02/2022 8:49:43 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: silverleaf

Afloat, yes. Undamaged?


25 posted on 11/02/2022 9:07:02 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: McGruff
Who will be punished for attacking the ships the last time?

Who will be punished for the Ukrainians again attacking the Black Sea Fleet? Presumably Admiral Viktor Sokolov, the new Russian commander of the Black Sea Fleet (who just took over after the last commander, Igor Osipov, was fired after the sinking of the Moskva).

26 posted on 11/02/2022 9:15:49 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
You missed this part.

The Russian defence ministry on Wednesday said it obtained written guarantees from Kyiv “thanks to the participation” of the UN and “help” from Türkiye.

It said Kyiv guaranteed “the non-use of the humanitarian corridor and Ukrainian ports determined in the interests of the export of agricultural products for conducting military operations against the Russian Federation.”

27 posted on 11/02/2022 9:47:35 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: DesertRhino; dforest; silverleaf; Sacajaweau; McGruff
After the Ukes British sea drone attack on the Russian fleet involved in the transport, they called off the deal. The retard Ukes were brought to heel by Erdogan and Putin.

Amazing how the DC neocon Narrative, which is 180 degrees different, is immediately pumped by our resident neoconned dupes.

28 posted on 11/02/2022 9:53:14 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: buwaya; All
The Russians recovered 1 or more of the sea drones ( Canadian components) and were able to retrieve tracking data. At least one launch site was from vic of Odessa. The drone followed the shipping corridor that the Russians and Turks had cleared of mines ( mostly Uke mines laid to prevent an amphibious landing on their coast, many of which broke free and are free floating in the Black Sea)

After skimming the surface following the grain corridor, the drones broke off for Sevastopol. Also I think there was an air launch drone attack, coordinated,

Because the humanitarian sea lane, with traffic in it, masked the drones, The Russians had minimal warning but managed to shoot down most if not all, and neutralize most of the sea drones. An alert Russian marine has already been decorated for warning and response.

Another captured drone path showed it originated at sea leading Russia to believe it was launched from a grain carrier…NFI on this,

Russian intelligence had previously indicated special weapons were being smuggled into Ukraine on grain ships, including the explosives used to make the bombs used on the Kerch bridge.

There are/were actually 2 grain agreements. One where the Russians and Turks cleared mines and posted coordinates of safe lanes for commercial shipping ( allowing insurers to keep underwriting the shippers), Hence the Russian minesweeper Ivan Golubets outside Sevastopol, which was hit and damaged, The other grain agreement involving inspections of ships in ports and escort to Ukraine ports…which I believe was between Turkey and Ukraine. Maybe Russia now brought in.

This news gleaned from Russian military and other diplomatic channels. Hopefully helpful.

The truth is so more interesting, analytically, than the disinfo. Which has actually been very amateurish, hence prob not being run by London or DC.

29 posted on 11/02/2022 9:56:22 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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The Ukrainian hopium crew continues to hold out for a victory, claiming that the side of the Makarov along the dock looks like the USS Cole after it was attacked in Yemen, but I see no sign of repair activity. Just a crane loading something…ammo?
30 posted on 11/02/2022 10:06:14 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: silverleaf

OMG, its stern is blown-clean-off!

Musta been a 44 Magnum


31 posted on 11/02/2022 10:10:51 AM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: Alter Kaker
Erdogan called Russia's bluff too.

The "sufficient guaranties" are the Turkish Navy will defend Ukrainian ships and Russia is not going to escalate by attacking Turkish escorted food shipments.

This is a gutsy move by Turkey.

32 posted on 11/02/2022 3:24:17 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni 🇺🇦 - Just say no to CCCP 2.0)
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