Posted on 11/15/2022 5:30:24 AM PST by Salohcin
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Tuesday that Ukraine has put forward “unrealistic and inadequate” terms for future peace talks.
Lavrov said he spoke with French President Emmanuel Macron at the G20 summit in Bali, where he reiterated accusations that Kyiv “categorically refuses” negotiations with Moscow.
“I reminded him that all the problems are on the Ukrainian side, which categorically refuses any negotiations and puts forward terms that are obviously unrealistic and inadequate,” Lavrov told reporters.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky addressed the G20 via video link earlier Tuesday, where he presented a 10-point peace plan to end Russia’s invasion. In addition to safety guarantees, the plan reportedly includes proposals for a special tribunal for alleged Russian war crimes.
President Vladimir Putin's delegate at the summit, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, remained in his seat throughout Zelensky's address, two diplomatic sources told AFP.
Speaking with reporters later, Lavrov said Putin and other Russian officials have repeatedly confirmed their readiness to negotiate peace amid continuing battlefield setbacks suffered by the Russian military.
“If anyone is refusing, it is Ukraine. The longer it refuses, the more difficult it will be to reach an agreement,” Lavrov said.
The Kremlin meanwhile said Russia’s “special military operation” will continue, blaming Ukraine for its “factual and legal” unwillingness to negotiate.
AFP contributed reporting.
Below is an update on the Kherson Front, and others.
Things like war crimes prosecutions are filler terms that everyone knows aren't going to be in any final agreement anyway. The core disagreement is the four oblasts Russia annexed, and what happens to them.
Russia is desperate to get out of the war, but Ukraine insists on getting Crimea back and the Putin regime would not survive if they surrender that prize.
Russia isn’t interested in peace
like all bullies, they just like beating up smaller innocents
Georgia, Armenia, the Baltic States ... the victims change but the bully is always the same
Neither side will negotiate until they are unable to continue. The political cost of either side giving in one square centimeter of ground is death.
Yeah, after just fleeing Kherson without a big promised battle there, the Russians have no room to dictate terms anymore, if ever. They’ve lost but want to exit the war holding what remains from their invasion. Won’t fly.
The idiocy of these spins is amazing.
Russia has put out its terms long time ago and they weren’t a big deal.
They wanted Ukraine to grant a degree of autonomy to two states it didn’t insist on being independent and for Ukraine to stop killing them.
After February, the objectives updated to independence of two states, and no NATO membership, plus demilitarization parameters of which are negotiable.
The Russian terms becoming worse the more territory they control.
Ukraine doesn’t want to negotiate in good faith because their conditions to even start negotiations is to give them everything plus Crimea and “reparations”. What are they want to talk about then?:)
so get used to a long WAR then
btw Russian oil gets cut off in 3 weeks ... Russia really starts hurting for money at that point
You better prepare for a drop in living standards. Nothing is going to get cut. You’re simply pay twice the price to get the same oil through intermediates. Also with current trade balance Russia is able not to export a drop to the West without problems.
Sounds dillusional and seemingly lacking the capacity either to educate oneself or the viewpoint is so filled with a one-sided viewpoint as a start point that failure to cannot all the evidence before your lying eyes (chin). Bruce Campell(s) was funny, but people who make the art of conflict a personal pursut could never the truth.
I am so tired of hearing Ukraine is right, Russia is wrong - warmongers... always have a reason why the other side must fully surrender.
Unfortunately for Lavrov, Ukraine’s position becomes more realistic with every passing day.
On Feburary 10th, our man who leads the war effort aborad signed a document to absorb the Ukraine into NATO as formal US Policy. The was the RED-Line. Stupid democrats cannot treat other countires with their own interests like the do republicans at home, e.g., with contempt.
Is insisting that the territory of the four “annexed” oblasts, including the recently evacuated city of Kherson, are now part of Russia and will never be returned a “good faith” negotiating position? That is the current Russian position, isn’t it?
Of course. When you reject reasonable terms out of spite and turn a little dispute into a bloodbath there should be a price to pay. Stupid has to hurt to have educational value. That’s the art of the deal. They’d have more to lose over time at this pace.
Well then, if you want to continue to send Russian men into that meatgrinder, press on.
Is it everything you have to say? What was wrong with Minsk agreements? They definitely doesn’t seem too bad after 9 months and who knows how many dead.
Regarding to territories you have no idea of modern warfare. Why should Russia fight on your terms? Its idea is not to hold territory at all costs, but to destroy the enemy. It works just great so far.
Yep.. and when the bully finally gets his ass schwacked as is happening in Ukraine, he cries "victim."
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