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FBI, ATF use gun background checks to track specific purchasers, documents show
Just the News ^ | January 13, 2023 - 7:41pm | Ben Whedon

Posted on 01/14/2023 1:39:08 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and FBI coordinate to track the gun purchases of specific individuals through the federal background check system, according to documents that Second Amendment advocacy group Gun Owners of America obtained via a Freedom of Information Act request.

Shared exclusively with the Epoch Times, the documents include communications in which ATF agents request the monitoring of specific gun purchasers by means of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) in a system the FBI dubs the "NICS Monitoring Services."

Federal agents, at the behest of the ATF, then manually check the NICS on a daily basis to see whether an individual the ATF flagged has purchased a firearm. The ATF appears to be using this system to monitor suspected criminals or straw purchasers.

NICS works to stop individuals banned from purchasing firearms from doing so. A prospective gun purchase must clear the background check before the dealer may complete the sale. Federal law also requires that the NICS record of a gun purchase be deleted after 24 hours. Hence, the need for the FBI to check the system daily.

This process may go on indefinitely. One email from an FBI agent to an ATF official confirming a specific monitoring request indicated the agent was prepared to routinely monitor one suspect for roughly an entire year.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; defactoregistration; fbi; goa; nics

1 posted on 01/14/2023 1:39:08 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It is interesting how these little gov’t agencies all of a sudden become small dictatorial powers exceeding there various charters and jumping on Moms and Dads to satisfy their egos.


2 posted on 01/14/2023 1:46:00 PM PST by chopperk
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To: chopperk

I have been saying these clowns have been doing exactly this, since I was 14.

This should be no surprise to that they do this.
If you got a check on it, they know you have it.


3 posted on 01/14/2023 1:50:55 PM PST by SPDSHDW (Ya’ll knew he was installed via fraud, and chose to do nothing. Enjoy the roller coaster ride.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Defund the FEDS and ABOLISH Federali law enforcement


4 posted on 01/14/2023 1:51:36 PM PST by Conservative4Life (thy merchants were great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Rev18:23)
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To: Conservative4Life

Apparently they are tracking certain crack addicted President’s sons purchases.


5 posted on 01/14/2023 1:56:38 PM PST by oldernittany
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Pre-crime.


6 posted on 01/14/2023 1:59:33 PM PST by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: chopperk

I trust all agencies 100%

I trust that they will do what all govt entities have done since the creation of mankind.


7 posted on 01/14/2023 2:10:11 PM PST by algore
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Time for a shipload of lawsuits. The weaponized government agencies are violating the Bill of Rights. Time to throw some arse in prison.


8 posted on 01/14/2023 2:10:14 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Amerika! The whole world is watching and laughing their asses off. )
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To: oldernittany
Apparently they are tracking certain crack addicted President’s sons purchases.

Oh heck no, this is just to track Republicans with

9 posted on 01/14/2023 2:17:27 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

to track specific purchasers excluding those who would be school shooters we will just watch them and respond when the deed is done


10 posted on 01/14/2023 2:18:41 PM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not everyone has their rights trashed, however.

Detailed reports of crimes will include the police said the gang members used stolen guns, or the weapon used had no traceable serial numbers, because of the suspect’s felony convictions in the past he possessed the gun illegally or the parolee stole a weapon on the way to the home invasion.

Criminals don’t believe in background checks or permits. Only the innocent citizen victims cooperate.


11 posted on 01/14/2023 2:25:07 PM PST by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

So is this fast and furious 2.0 gun sting but the ATF


12 posted on 01/14/2023 2:31:22 PM PST by Liaison (TANSTAAFL)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Surprise! The fbi and atf are the enemy.


13 posted on 01/14/2023 2:39:59 PM PST by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Would love to see stats:

Straw purchases stopped
Felons arrested from 4473’s
% of 4473’s stopping a crime


14 posted on 01/14/2023 2:41:22 PM PST by conservativesister (.)
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To: conservativesister

Zero,
Zero,
and Zero


15 posted on 01/14/2023 2:45:51 PM PST by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: oldernittany

Tracked all guns except those allowed to be be shipped to drug cartels in Maexico with Obama’s permission.


16 posted on 01/14/2023 3:30:40 PM PST by Lockbar (Even when you think you finally have enough ammo, you still really don't have enough. )
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To: conservativesister; MileHi

MileHi is exactly right. The answers are all zero. Agents actually have to come to the gun shops and read the records to get a place to start. The 4473 records produce nothing directly but they do help with tracing guns that might get misused.

As a point of interest up thru the late 70’s dealers were required to keep a log book of handgun ammo purchases. Not once, not ever, were those records used to track anything so the requirement for the log was finally dropped. Same is true for 4473’s. They are useless on the prevention side.


17 posted on 01/14/2023 5:02:56 PM PST by OldWarBaby
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

18 posted on 01/14/2023 5:34:40 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: OldWarBaby
Same is true for 4473’s. They are useless on the prevention side.

Since NICS there is no longer any reason for 4473 forms, if there ever was. And the NICS has no legitimate to record firearm type or serial numbers. Just NI Check S the buyer and if he good what does it matter what he/she is buying?

19 posted on 01/14/2023 6:04:37 PM PST by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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