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Ukrainian forces still trying to hold Bakhmut despite heavy casualties
The Guardian ^ | Thu 9 Mar 2023 | Isobel Koshiw

Posted on 03/09/2023 6:23:32 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

Ukrainian soldiers are being pummelled on three sides by Russian forces who are trying to capture Bakhmut, a city in the eastern Donetsk region that has become the focus of the longest and one of the bloodiest battles since the war began.

Ukraine’s authorities insist they will continue to try to hold the city despite them suffering an estimated 100-200 casualties a day – with some saying the reason is more political and symbolic than practical. Retreating from the city now, after so many soldiers died fighting to keep it, would be a hard reality to face.

The Russian push for Bakhmut started in July and intensified in the autumn after Moscow mobilised thousands of men, many of whom were Russian prisoners who signed up with the promise of freedom after six months of service.

Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, told CNN in an interview that retreating from Bakhmut would “open the road” for Russian forces to attack the neighbouring Ukrainian-controlled towns of Kostiantynivka and Kramatorsk.

“I hope we don’t have to leave, but we will if [the frontline] comes to us,” said Dmytro Yakovensko, a doctor working in the children’s hospital in Kramatorsk. Kramatorsk has been relatively quiet in recent weeks, as Russian forces have concentrated their firepower on Bakhmut.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: bakhmut; isobelkoshiw; russianmeatgrinder; thegrauniad; ukraine; ukraineisfinished; youcantfixstupid
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1 posted on 03/09/2023 6:23:32 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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🇷🇺 forces have advanced and taken control of Dubovo-Vasylivka as well as advancing in Northwest Bakhmut.

2 posted on 03/09/2023 6:24:15 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Get out! Ukrainian and Russian notions of war are far different than the US’s.


3 posted on 03/09/2023 6:35:31 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: MinorityRepublican

Didn’t realize that the Eastern Third of Bakhmut had already been liberated. Seems as though the end is getting near.


4 posted on 03/09/2023 6:40:05 PM PST by BobL
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Liberated yeah that’s why they’re fighting like hell to kill Russians.

I’ll try one of your arguments. Why don’t you go join your beloved Wagner Group and help them “liberate”.


5 posted on 03/09/2023 6:53:11 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: BobL

The word that you are looking for is “conquered,” not “liberated.”


6 posted on 03/09/2023 6:59:11 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: BobL

please do not tease the animals lol


7 posted on 03/09/2023 7:05:10 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: BobL

Yes. The Russians are said to control all roads west now. The only options for the remaining Ukrainians is fight to the death or surrender.


8 posted on 03/09/2023 7:07:43 PM PST by elpadre (nd )
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To: MinorityRepublican

Stalingrad and/or Melitoplol 2


9 posted on 03/09/2023 7:08:25 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: WoofDog123

“please do not tease the animals lol”

It’s TOO EASY though!


10 posted on 03/09/2023 7:12:32 PM PST by BobL
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To: MinorityRepublican; All
Hey off topic but asking because this is a military thread per se...

Anyone ever hear the abbr/acronym DDMow ?? Closest I could find out about it. it was a Vietnam era term but never found its meaning.

11 posted on 03/09/2023 7:13:55 PM PST by sit-rep ( )
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Dude, no one likes to be told they were wrong especially on this forum. Just like the covid pandemic, this war has been a revelation. So many gullible freepers believing the msm lies and acting righteously. Arrogant self righteous fools.


12 posted on 03/09/2023 7:17:58 PM PST by Nashcash
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To: MinorityRepublican

The only possible reason I could see to continue this defense is if the Russians are taking bigger losses.


13 posted on 03/09/2023 7:24:21 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: BobL

it is possible compensation is based on engagement (or per reply etc). so also consider that.


14 posted on 03/09/2023 7:25:00 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: oldplayer
I think Ukraine is trying to withdraw. Wagner's use of massed, small sized, unsupported, untrained infantry attacks is getting in the way and getting lots of Wagner forces killed.

If Wagner would either let Ukraine leave or get more artillery and armored support, then they could take the town faster. Instead Prigozhin's operations are making it easy for Ukraine to kill his men as they withdraw.

I'm just not saying that to make Ukraine look good and Wagner look bad. How Prigozhin is taking Bakhmut is really stupid.

15 posted on 03/09/2023 7:27:54 PM PST by Widget Jr ( 🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 - No CCCP 2.0 )
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To: BobL
Seems as though the end is getting near.

How far is it again from Bakhmut to Kyiv?


16 posted on 03/09/2023 7:28:07 PM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Brilliant
The only possible reason I could see to continue this defense is if the Russians are taking bigger losses.

No idea. But General George Washington would have pulled out his troops from Bakhmut six months ago so they can fight the Russians elsewhere. Not sure what Zelensky is thinking. This is a war of attrition. This usually favors the Russians.

17 posted on 03/09/2023 7:29:00 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: BobL

Sounds like Zelensky’s more than willing to watch Ukrainian soldiers continue to be chewed up in Bakhmut for the “Glory of Zelensky”........


18 posted on 03/09/2023 7:31:57 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: sit-rep

Di di (mau) (“dee-dee (maow)”): Vietnamese for “go away (fast) or “haul ass”


19 posted on 03/09/2023 7:32:21 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (“You want it one way, but it's the other way”)
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To: sit-rep
You mean "di di mau", literally "go go quickly”, depending on the situation, "get the hell out of here", "get lost", or "[BLEEP] off".

I feel old. The last I heard that phrase was on A-Team reruns 30 years ago.

20 posted on 03/09/2023 7:33:27 PM PST by Widget Jr ( 🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 - No CCCP 2.0 )
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