Posted on 03/18/2023 12:30:10 PM PDT by thegagline
Corey Cook still holds a fondness for her days living in Portland, where the downtown pubs and riverfront cherry blossoms made her proud to call the Rose City home during her 20s.
But as she started growing wary of the metro area’s congestion and liberal politics, she moved to the suburbs, then the exurbs, before heading east, eventually escaping Portland’s sphere of influence on the other side of the Cascade Mountains in 2017. But even here, where she now runs a Christian camp amid the foothill pines overlooking the Grande Ronde Valley, she cannot help but notice how the values of western Oregon are held over the eastern part of the state by way of laws making guns less accessible and abortions more accessible.
Unwilling to move east into Idaho, farther from her family, Ms. Cook, 52, now wonders if redrawing the state maps could instead bring Idaho’s values to her.
“Oregon is not a unified state to me anymore,” she said. “To say that I’m an Oregonian is a geographic truth, but it doesn’t really have meaning to me the way that it did before I lived in eastern Oregon.”
The broad sense of estrangement felt across rural Oregon has led conservatives in recent years to pursue a scrupulous strategy to open a theoretical escape hatch, gathering thousands of signatures for a series of ballot measures that have now passed in 11 counties. Those measures require regular meetings to discuss the idea of secession. In those places, including Union County, Ms. Cook’s new home, county commissioners in rooms adorned by Oregon flags and maps are now obligated to talk about whether it would one day make sense to be part of Idaho.
The “Greater Idaho” movement joins a long history of U.S. defection struggles. In California, for example, there have been more than 200 attempts over the years to break up the state. Greater Idaho sees its solution as more simple — a shift in an existing border that would claim the entire eastern half of Oregon without creating an entirely new state. Despite being a political long shot, the sustained and growing interest from residents in the area and attention from politicians in Idaho have illustrated how much the state is already divided in spirit.
“It’s got worse over the years,” said John Lively, a Democratic state representative who grew up in one of the counties considering the secession plan. “It’s really reflective of the divide we have in our country.”
Mr. Lively has met with Greater Idaho leaders, saying that while he does not support their effort, the movement has followed the appropriate channels and opened up an opportunity for western Oregonians to take notice of why people on the other side of the state have grown so disaffected.
Last month, taking notice of the percolating chatter on the other side of the border, Idaho’s state representatives approved a measure to initiate formal discussions with Oregon over whether and how to redraw a state boundary that spans some 300 miles. Oregon lawmakers have so far not answered the call.
To some residents in eastern Oregon, the secession movement has been cathartic, a sort of relief valve for decades of boiling frustrations with government in a region that has in the distant and not-too-distant past hosted its share of anti-government violence.
To others, the secession effort has felt quixotic, or even idiotic. Success would require passage through the state legislatures in both states and in Congress, requiring the Democrats who currently control broad political power at the Capitol in Salem, Ore., to get onboard with the idea of giving up half the state to a neighbor that does not share their values. Such a shift would leave others in the region more vulnerable, including the Klamath Tribes, where there are fears that a switch to Idaho would undermine efforts to fight for environmental protections on their ancestral lands.
A Marine Corps veteran who helps develop products for the hunting industry, Mr. Nash makes visits to the grocery store that can mean hours of serendipitous conversation with every person he sees.
Mr. Nash, 36, has watched eastern Oregon’s growing frustration with government policies that alter the region’s way of life. Limits on logging contributed to a steep decline in the sprawling timber industry, leading to mill closures and mass layoffs. “Eastern Oregon largely gets treated as western Oregon’s playground,” he said.
Mr. Nash plans to vote to advance the secession debate, though he does not support actual implementation. He fears that a switch to Idaho would bring its own set of complications.
“I don’t think there is a historical precedent to say ‘this is going to work,’” Mr. Nash said. “I’d just rather we figure out how to restore Oregon to a better place.”
Redrawing the map would require much more than fresh cartography. Logistical challenges grow more thorny with each new question: Would people in eastern Oregon be ready to embrace a sales tax? How would Idaho, which bans legal marijuana, manage eastern Oregon’s thriving weed industry? How would the states transition eastern Oregon’s state employees, with some benefits already earned, to a new retirement system with different rules and compensation?
Barbara Dee Ehardt, an Idaho Republican state representative who sponsored a resolution to invite cross-state talks, said she saw benefits for conservatives in Idaho. Among them, she said, a border shifting westward would move legal marijuana and legal abortions farther from the reach of people in her state.
Leading the Greater Idaho movement is Mike McCarter, 75, a resident of La Pine worked for 30 years in the state’s nursery industry and currently teaches classes on concealed handguns and shooting, and recently acquired an Idaho flag for his home.
Mr. McCarter said in an interview that in the process of spreading his message, he has spoken with the People’s Rights group, which is led by Ammon Bundy. In 2016, Mr. Bundy started an armed takeover of a wildlife refuge in Harney County, which has voted to join the Oregon secession movement.
But Mr. McCarter said that he does not align with the group’s tactics, adding that he wants his effort to provide an outlet for people to express their frustrations through peaceful means.
“We are not looking at the civil disobedience way,” he said.
State boundaries, he argued, were set with the idea of organizing like-minded people and can be adjusted to conform with evolving communities, as when divisions between the eastern and western parts of Virginia led to the creation of West Virginia.
“Even though people can say the odds are still way against it — and they probably are — it’s still bringing the issue to the surface,” Mr. McCarter said.
On their own, the county commissioners have little power to alter Oregon’s state lines, but supporters of the Greater Idaho movement have continued to put pressure on them, in hopes they will put pressure on state lawmakers. At the meeting last month, the activists urged the commissioners to formally notify their state lawmakers that local citizens had voted to engage in the idea.
The commissioners agreed, approving the message unanimously.
“I do share the frustrations of the people that are wanting to do it,” Donna Beverage, one of the commissioners, said after the meeting. “I just don’t know how difficult it is going to be. But at the same time, when people are frustrated, we can fight for change.”
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them,....
What they are proposing isn’t “Secession”. They aren’t trying to formally withdraw from the United States.
Secondly, why would Congress need to get involved? If the states want to do some re-arranging of their borders, why not? It would seem to me if this were something they wanted to do, they would have no problem with it.
Ultimately I think this is a reflection or a legacy on the Reynolds case decided by the supreme court - less populated counties or rural areas have had no defense against the large city centers for some time now.
Or put another way, what did you guys think would happen??
Too late. Idaho is going woke.
Texas should also say it will repudiate its share of the national debt.
THAT alone would put handcuffs on Fed.gov, the leftists who control it, and their thousands of social-engineering schemes.
Good luck with that, Mr. Nash. Conservatives are not ok with open borders, dope growing, dope using, or baby killing.
“Too late. Idaho is going woke.”
It’s immigration by coastal parasites that have killed their host and have moved on to another.
I believe the problem about secession was ruled upon in 1869.
Texas vs White
https://www.britannica.com/event/Texas-v-White
Texas v. White, (1869), U.S. Supreme Court case in which it was held that the United States is “an indestructible union” from which no state can secede.
Sounds curiously like slavery.
Exactly
Any city that reaches population of half a million will be declared a "City-State" and be spun off into it's own entity.
It will be awarded one Representative and one Senator to represent it's interests nationally.
Too late. Idaho is going woke.
Pretty much. I give them another decade.
Pretty sure the parasites stayed put on the coast.
What is needed is clean and honest elections. The political climate in many states will look a lot different.
The problems here are that the libs in Salem NEED to hold dominion over everyone in the state. As they would be nothing without the subjudgated masses. Secondly, if the population of Oregon were to plummet, that would impact congressional representation.
So, long story long, there’s no way they’re going to let them go.
Isn’t it more the crazy/normal divide?
Secondly, why would Congress need to get involved?
The late Illinois Senator Everett Dirkson predicted all of this with his commentary on the USSC ruling of Reynolds vs Sims. The prediction was more in the context of what it would do to Illinois then other states but the principle would be the same. He said this ruling would allow the urban centers with their large populations to dominate and make subservient the more rural sections of the state. He specifically pointed out that this would allow Chicago to completely dominate the state and render the other counties\sections economic slaves to the excesses of the city. That prediction has more then played out to be true in Illinois, New York, Pennsylvania, California, etc.
This is part and parcel of the continued effort from the Wlison Administration, accelerated by the FDR regime to now, to imbalance the republic-democracy arrangement of the Founding Fathers. End goal is to remove the “republic” nature of our government from our government. Create the “mob-ocracy” our Founders feared. Ask supposedly educated people about the definitions of “republic “ and “democracy “. The answers you get will get is various combinations of hilarity, sadness & frightfullness.
If they were trying to secede from the United States, you might have a point.
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