Why Ukraine may embrace China’s peace plan

Asia Times ^ | MARCH 20, 2023 | SPENGLER (David Goldman)

[struggle]

Yeah, I think if Russia gets a breakout in Lyman, Bakhmut, or Aviiwhatever, you’re probably going to see Zelensky tossed out and a peace treaty made under China or Turkey. NATO will scream foul, but Ukraine won’t listen. By then their negotiation position will be existential.

[Sacajaweau]

More likely Turkey...and IIRC, is also friends with Russia...

[ckilmer]

the big test comes in the spring.

Ukes throw 40k trained and equipped men into the battle.

Russians throw 500k poorly trained and equipped men into the battle.

We’ll see.

[glorgau]

> “recruits are being thrown into battle lines with three weeks of training.”

And yet they are still inflicting more casualties on the Russians than they are taking themselves! Wow, if only they had started the war with 3 week trainees.

[Sacajaweau]

https://worldcrunch.com/world-affairs/turkey-russia-alliance-trade

[ClearCase_guy]

I’ll be glad when this thing is over.

[realcleanguy]

The US cannot allow peace at any cost. They are banking on the profits of the Military Industrialized Complex and a win for Joe Biden. Even if it means a million dead Ukrainians.

[Renfrew]

Written by a guy who is a partner at Yunfeng Financial and makes all his money in China.

No surprise he extolls every word comrade Xi speaks.

You should feel deep embarrassment for posting PRC propaganda on FR.

[MeganC]

Fyi...

https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara

[2banana]

Looks like NATO fought until the last Ukrainian.

[realcleanguy]

Huh, I posted exactly what the Democrats want. Are you saying the Democrats are PRC mouthpieces?

[Petrosius]

But what is this so-called Chinese peace plan? There are no specifics.

[hinckley buzzard]

The most critical aspect of this development is what the author identifies as a catastrophic loss of US influence in the world. Putative allies like Saudi and India are ignoring the US and cutting their own deals with China and Russia, even with Iran.

Anthony Blinken told Ukraine they could not allow China to broker a deal. Ukraine ignored him — and us. See what all those billions of military aid have bought us. Squat.

[canuck_conservative]

there were 12 points in the Chinese plan

Point #1 - “respect sovereignty and national boundaries”

... and if Russia had just followed that first point, there would be no war now

[Rdct29]

What an embarrassing slap in the face it will be if Zelensky embraces China's peace proposal. The only reason this is possible is we have a corrupt and compromised moron in the white house. Everything this moron does damages America. He's an old lying asshole who hasn't been right about anything over the past 40 years. America will be extremely lucky if it survives the next two years in one piece.

[davidb56]

Ukraine goes to the highest bidder. China OWNS CONgress, so they will bid Higher than CONgress to take over Ukraine’s Agriculture.

[PIF]

Why Ukraine may embrace China’s peace plan - because Yermak and Zelinski can’t wait to be hung from the nearest light pole.

[Rockingham]

No, the immediate effect of an imminent Ukrainian military collapse would be Polish intervention to limit the Russian advance, an eventuality long foreseen as possible by Poland's military planners. For all the caterwauling about the Russian invasion of Ukraine being a "border conflict" and "don't poke the bear," for NATO allies Poland and the Baltic Republics, Russian control of Ukraine would be a major threat to their security that has to be averted if at all possible.

[PIF]

Looks like NATO fought until the last Ukrainian.

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Funny how you should pick up a line that Putin often repeats.