Posted on 04/10/2023 4:53:26 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
Real senile people like Biden, whose place is not at the head of a huge power but on the grass, surrounded by their relatives with their mouths open with dementia, Ordinary Americans have no idea at all what "Ukraine" is or where it is located. Most of them can't even show this "country" on a map. Why should they suffer such inconvenience for the sake of some obscure part of Russia
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“Those who wish for Putin to die should be careful what they wish for.”
I agree. They should be careful with their plans to make sure they get it right the first time.
Ukrainian people would disagree.
Around 1890 my maternal grandparents immigrated from what was then East Prussia to the US NY area. My grandfather was a marine engineer originally from Pozen/Poznan. Poland and was serving in the Kaiser’s navy. He did not like the way the politics was looking so felt coming to the port of NY was a good career move. My grandmother was a daughter of the landed gentry, von was part of her father’s title until he dropped it because he had to sell most of his land to fulfill Army potato constracts for the Franco/Prussian war in the 1870s. There was a potato blight those years so he had to sell the land to buy potatoes on the pricy market to meet his obligations. Shirer writes of the “impoverished Prussian nobility” in his book about WW2. That was my grandma’s family. She and later one sister are the only ones of 8 children who left home, so I know I have relative over there, and old correspondence in German from before and after WW2 that I cannot read. Wish I could find someone with German language and an interest in history who would like to translate some of these letters.
I mention this history, because these areas are now Poland and Lithuania, or perhaps Kaliningrad, but then were East Prussia. A lot of shifting around.
I found this article by entering “Russia” in the Search bar, unless it was by entering “Ukraine” the same way.
The Don Cossacks were in what is now called “the Donbas” (or “Donbass”) and their descendents have been fighting for their autonomy since 2014, backed by the Russians. Actually, the old Cossack territory straddles the border between Russia and Ukraine.
The Cossacks have been officially recognized by the Russian government on the Russian side of the border since the early 1990s, but outlawed in Ukraine. It’s the stupid Wiki, but:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Cossacks
Yes, the collective farms were stupid (everything about communism is!), and they were all over the old USSR, not just in Ukraine. I knew some people whose grandparents had been “kulaks” in Ukraine when the Bolsheviks took over. The poorer lazy farmers denounced them in order to get their better farms. They had been jealous of the hard-working farmers who got better harvests and had two cows, where they only had one, for example.
Some of their relatives ended up in gulag after being denounced by their neighbors for the “crime” of being hardworking and better off, while some fled into Russia and others forcibly moved by the Soviets. Those were hideous, ugly times. Stalin was a monster.
What fascinating family history, and how wonderful that you know all about it. German is my second language, although getting a bit rusty these days. If there is a college or university near you, I bet someone on the German faculty would be delighted to translate your letters. Most have a keen interest in history. It can’t hurt to asdk, anyway.
Mikhail Sholokhov wrote “And Quiet Flows the Don”. He won the Nobel Prize for it in 1965, back when the prize still meant something. It’s been many years since I read the books, and should revisit them. Thanks for reminding me.
The old 1957/58 Soviet movie version is available on You Tube with English subtitles:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sZVYaKkAAqQ
“Now just where would 167 million Americans be able to flee?”
They wouldn’t be able - but there are far fewer Ukrainians and they had neighbors they could go to.
“Frozen, sparsely populated Canuckistan or cartel hellhole Mexico? You comment like a foreign idiot.”
Wow, apparently I’m even more right than I knew or else you wouldn’t have reacted so immaturely. Well, it’s to be expected.
The Uke’s from 2,000 years ago seemed like decent folk, built a unique culture, churches, the whole nine yards
Todays Uke’s, the Nazi kind, destroy the culture, burn then raze churches to the ground
What a difference 2,000 years make
Americans are forced to live in constant anxiety and fear over Covid19... Why do ordinary Americans need this?
I remember some Americans went nuts, started to bully, intimidate and fight others who did not believe to Coof Con
Robert Conquest’s book “The Harvest of Sorrow” is a very readable history of the Bolshevik war on Ukraine’s kulak farmers.
The subtitle “Soviet Collectivization and the Terror-Famine” gives you a clue as to the result.
Conquest was an excellent English historian who knew how to write. I once read that his wife was suprised to learn that he was a world reknowned historian after they had already been married for some time. I found that amusing.
China lacks the capability to invade America that’s a neocon canard
Their military is overwhelmingly defensive by nature
They may well beat us in economic war if we don’t adapt
It’s called an analogy and it still stands. We don’t have a much more powerful military and a far greater population. Ukraine does - and Ukraine was invaded by that neighbor.
By the same yardstick, Muscowy too should disappear, eh?
I would call ti check those numbers.
Also Ukrainians fled the Russian invasions
wildREDcard, Стивен- your numbers are false “ That is why, out of 45 million, there are a little more than 20 million left. “
That is false —> Ukraine’s pre-war population was 43.7 million and estimated number on 1 July 2023 is 36.5 million —> https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/ukraine-population
That is not “half” of 43.7 million, nor is it 20 million left.
The people who left, left because the Russian army invaded Ukraine.
Renfrew, we need to not go to the opposite extreme “Ukraine was a civilized nation 2000 years before anyone had even heard of Moscow. Ukrainians were reading Aristotle while Russians were squirrel eating savages.”
Ukrainians and Muscowites derive from the same “East Slavic” group, specifically both derive from the Rus peoples.
Just as the English and the Dutch are both “West Germanic”
Moscow dates to 1147 AD — it was a village under the Dukedom of Vladimir-Suzdal.
At that point in time all were “East Slavic” or “Rus” peoples — not Russian, not Ukrainian.
2000 years earlier - in 1000 BC, there was no separation of Muscowite or Ukrainian.
Actually there was no separation (in 1000 BC) of Slavic or Baltic and perhaps not even of other Satem languages like the Iranic languages.
“Crazy Russian propagandists....”
Or perhaps better to call them “Russian neocons”.
“invaded it’s Russian oblasts”
Only a grade A moron would speak of a country invading its own territory.
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