Ukraine was a civilized nation 2000 years before anyone had even heard of Moscow. Ukrainians were reading Aristotle while Russians were squirrel eating savages.
Ukrainian civilization will survive long after Muscovy has collapsed.
They was kangz?
Thank the Lord for the wisdom of a 2021 neocon noob calling for WW3 like a rabid moron.
Moscow dates to at least 1147 AD so 2,000 years before that would be about 850 B.C. Sadly for you Ukraine (a Slavic nation) did not exist then. The earliest a Ukraine could have existed is 5 or 600 AD. But IF it did exist (it didn't) the Mongols wiped it out in the mid-13th century. So now we have an earliest date of 1300 AD.
Ukraine might have existed as it own entity in the 1600s but if so it was a occupied nation. Occupied by the Vikings, Poles and Russians. The truth is that Ukraine is a relatively new counts (1900s) so your statement "Ukraine was a civilized nation 2000 years before anyone had even heard of Moscow." is false.
The Uke’s from 2,000 years ago seemed like decent folk, built a unique culture, churches, the whole nine yards
Todays Uke’s, the Nazi kind, destroy the culture, burn then raze churches to the ground
What a difference 2,000 years make
Renfrew, we need to not go to the opposite extreme “Ukraine was a civilized nation 2000 years before anyone had even heard of Moscow. Ukrainians were reading Aristotle while Russians were squirrel eating savages.”
Ukrainians and Muscowites derive from the same “East Slavic” group, specifically both derive from the Rus peoples.
Just as the English and the Dutch are both “West Germanic”
Moscow dates to 1147 AD — it was a village under the Dukedom of Vladimir-Suzdal.
At that point in time all were “East Slavic” or “Rus” peoples — not Russian, not Ukrainian.
2000 years earlier - in 1000 BC, there was no separation of Muscowite or Ukrainian.
Actually there was no separation (in 1000 BC) of Slavic or Baltic and perhaps not even of other Satem languages like the Iranic languages.