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When Will the World Wake Up?
Armstr Economics ^ | 21 June 2023 | Martin Armstrong

Posted on 06/21/2023 6:52:03 PM PDT by delta7

QUESTION: Mr. Armstrong; It makes no sense for Poland to support Ukraine when they refused to ever apologize for their slaughter of 100,000 of us in their ethnic cleansing under Bandara. The rumor is that Poland had hoped that Russia would defeat Ukraine and take the Donbas and that Poland would retake the Western part of Ukraine. Have you heard anything about that? Thank you for your truth in the middle of a war.

ANSWER: There has also been an underlying resentment in Poland against the Nazi-Ukrinians who have never apologized and have never changed. They simply still cling to their idea of ethnic cleansing and the only people acceptable in their new country are Ukrainian by pure blood. Bandera remains a national hero and he is of the same vile character as Joseph Stalin – enjoyed washing his hands in the blood of others. Bandera’s philosophy was pure hatred. In 2014, they were out in force showing Bandara’s photo and preaching hatred of Russians. Still, to this day, even Hungarians and looked down on in Ukraine. The hatred of Bandara is deeply embedded and it is against everyone who is not Ukrainian – Russian, Polish, Hungarian, Greek. In Macedonia, the people support generally Russia and view Ukrainians as always troubling seeking war. As one Ukrainian wrote to me: “Despite my upbringing for some reason I never held this hatred for Russians or any other people but the Ukrainian diaspora around me has generally taken the bait. If I hate anything it’s more the ideology that seeks to limit and enslave us with lies. An endless battle!”

What the Ukrainians overlook is that Stalin’s seizure of the food from Ukraine and their starvation have two MAJOR factors they do not want to acknowledge. (1) Stalin was not Russian, he was from Georgia. (2) Stalin’s right-hand man was Ukrainian – Kagan who was in charge of taking the food from Ukraine. Some say he was Jewish and sought retribution against the anti-Jewish attitude in Ukraine. Others say that he is an ancestor of Victoria Nuland’s husband Robert Kagan. I cannot verify that he is a blood relative of Lazar. His family dropped “ovich” at the end of the name. The sister-in-law of Nuland is the one that started the Institute for the Study of War, which strangely never seems to advocate peace. Even the NY Times commented on this family and their connections. Ron Paul commented that their family business is always a war against Russia. So when a family member dies in battle in their endless wars, remember who has been cheering this death and destruction. Even Europe is taking note of how this family pushing for war. And now, Nuland is #2 at the State Department in the Biden Administration. This is a coup!

Warsaw is indeed considering submitting restitution demands to Kiev for the 1943 Volhynia massacres, which saw over 50,000 to 100,000 Poles killed by the Nazi-allied Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists led by Stepan Bandera. Germany has apologized as well as Japan for their atrocities during World War II – not the Ukrainians.

This is the problem, they were parading around with banners and still supporting Bandara and his ethnic cleansing. So how could they possibly apologize when they still follow Bandara’s philosophy of only pure-blood Ukrainians allowed?

As I said, Kiev currently considers the Nazi collaborator Bandara a national hero. If Germany still considered Hitler a national hero and built a monument to him, or Italy did that with Benito Mussolini, would that not cause many people to question Germany or Italy?

Victoria Nuland, the #2 in the US State Department, was not only there in Kiev in 2014 egging on the revolution and starting the civil war against Russia, her family is Ukrainian. Her hatred of Russians is legendary and she has infiltrated the United States with the very same philosophies.

Ukraine sought to separate from Russia and that was fine. But when the Russians in the Donbas wanted to separate from the Ukrainians, suddenly they were terrorists and Kiev launched a civil war against them. It was NOT the other way around with the support of the American Neocons.

When will the world wake up? We are being manipulated and this time we are on the side of the Nazis that our fathers fought against.


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Well said.
1 posted on 06/21/2023 6:52:03 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

There is the matter of much of what is now Western Poland that used to be much of eastern Germany.

Poland might not wish to get its pre-WW2 borders back.

I should add that in the 17th century, Poland used to extend far to the east.


2 posted on 06/21/2023 7:05:47 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (Sandy Berger - $50,000 fine + 2 years probation + 100 hours community service + clearance suspended)
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To: delta7

You people who support Russia constantly search for “reasons” why an attack on Ukraine os justified.

You love to produce old maps or historical stories, arguing that Ukraine really “belongs” to Russia and the like.

Now it’s that Poland shouldn’t sorry Ukraine because Ukraine never “apologized” for past wrongs.

EXCEPT for one little thing, Poland wholeheartedly supports Ukraine and earned of the Russian invasion long before it happened.

And that’s because Poland knows that Putin is a no good pos that has designs on Poland.

But you come on here with a ridiculous argument that Poland should divide Ukraine with Russia. Which would be Poland cutting its own throat. But hey you types constantly open your big mouths to speak for everyone else in the world.

Poland would tell you to go to hell.


3 posted on 06/21/2023 7:06:15 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: delta7

We are on a pathway that would take a world war, far worse war than anything we have ever experienced, to set things right and eliminate globablism.

I don’t think we have the will to wage this war to start a world over with just two people again.


4 posted on 06/21/2023 7:06:53 PM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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To: delta7
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5 posted on 06/21/2023 7:07:29 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: delta7

I think the Poles know enough to let sleeping dogs lie.


6 posted on 06/21/2023 7:08:18 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (Sandy Berger - $50,000 fine + 2 years probation + 100 hours community service + clearance suspended)
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To: CapandBall

The Ukrainian election results of 2014 were questionable.

Armed conflict resulted.


7 posted on 06/21/2023 7:13:18 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (Sandy Berger - $50,000 fine + 2 years probation + 100 hours community service + clearance suspended)
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To: delta7

The EU will keep Poland inline so Ukraine can hold out.


8 posted on 06/21/2023 7:15:13 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (Sandy Berger - $50,000 fine + 2 years probation + 100 hours community service + clearance suspended)
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To: delta7

“ethnic cleansing under Bandara.”

Bandara was in a German prison camp when that happened.


9 posted on 06/21/2023 7:15:28 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: delta7

The correct solution is for Russia, the successor state to the USSR, to renounce Stalin’s 1945 annexations and to give Western Ukraine back to Poland (or Austria).


10 posted on 06/21/2023 7:16:30 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Make the GOP illegal - everything else will follow)
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To: delta7

Poles and Ukrainians share a hatred for Russian territorial lust.


11 posted on 06/21/2023 7:17:49 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (Sandy Berger - $50,000 fine + 2 years probation + 100 hours community service + clearance suspended)
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To: Brian Griffin
Poles and Ukrainians share a hatred for Russian territorial lust

Then Lwów and Warsaw belong together.

12 posted on 06/21/2023 7:24:08 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Make the GOP illegal - everything else will follow)
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To: Williams

13 posted on 06/21/2023 7:24:15 PM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/CA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: Williams

Poland is a NATO member, Ukraine is not, and Russia is very much aware of the difference that makes.

The Poles do not universally have a sense of brotherhood with the Ukrainians, especially now that they have hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees in their country.


14 posted on 06/21/2023 7:29:43 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: delta7

“The hatred of Bandara is deeply embedded and it is against everyone who is not Ukrainian – Russian, Polish, Hungarian, Greek.”

Very true, and I remember when blacks from the US and UK went to Ukraine as mercenaries at the very beginning of the war, they were treated like crap by the locals (Bandarites). They simply couldn’t believe the treatment, considering that they were putting their lives on the line for Ukraine (what they didn’t know was they’d be the first of the cannon fodder, LOL).


15 posted on 06/21/2023 7:35:41 PM PDT by BobL
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To: delta7
Well said nonsense. I have relatives in Poland. There are a handful of people, mainly descendants of Poles who lived before WWII in Volhynia, who raise this as an issue. Others find the Bandera references in Ukraine distasteful, but that's about it. They also recognize that many Ukrainians simply do not believe the stories about Bandera atrocities and regard them as Soviet propaganda, despite the fact that they are true.

The overwhelming majority of Poles recognize that nothing is more important than seeing Russia ejected from as much of Ukraine as possible. Any differences between Poland and Ukraine can be settled amicably, while nothing can be settled with Russia, which has simply reverted to its historical mean of being a barbarous looting empire.

16 posted on 06/21/2023 7:41:21 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: delta7

‘Polish’ jokes:

https://www.lysator.liu.se/jokes/polish2.html

“Q: Did you know that Poland just bought 10,000 Septic Tanks?
A: As soon as they learn how to drive ‘em, they are going to invade Russia.”


17 posted on 06/21/2023 7:44:47 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (Sandy Berger - $50,000 fine + 2 years probation + 100 hours community service + clearance suspended)
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To: Jonty30

From a site banned on FR:

(Natural News) Russian president Vladimir Putin is now warning the West about military escalations that could lead to nuclear war. As reported by the UK Daily Mail, Putin warns that a Third World War would be catastrophic for the world. “There will be no winners,” he says, “including America.”

Writing at SHTFplan.com, Michael Snyder posts additional comments from Putin that speak directly about the possibility of nuclear strikes against American cities or military bases:

“We were forced to try to end the war that the West started in 2014 by force of arms. And Russia will end this war by force of arms, freeing the entire territory of the former Ukraine from the United States and Ukrainian Nazis. There are no other options,” Putin said.

“The Ukrainian army of the US and NATO will be defeated, no matter what new types of weapons it receives from the West. The more weapons there are, the fewer Ukrainians and what used to be Ukraine will remain.”

And importantly, he emphasized that “Direct intervention by NATO’s European armies will not change the outcome. But in this case, the fire of war will engulf the whole of Europe. It looks like the US is ready for that too.”

This “fire of war” refers to nuclear weapons, and Russia has the world’s most advanced assortment of nuclear missiles, including nuclear-capable hypersonic missiles for which the West has no effective defense.

America keeps poking the bear and begging to be nuked
The issue at hand is that the United States of America — led by raging, hate-filled tyrants and historically illiterate “woke” idiots like Victoria Nuland at the State Dept. — keeps provoking Russia on purpose. The latest provocation is the promise of providing nuclear-capable F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine. These combat aircraft would be deployed from military bases outside of Ukraine (Poland, for example) and would attempt to engage Russian forces or launch nuclear missiles against military or infrastructure targets inside Russia.

Brighteon.TV
Putin clearly explains that if the West deploys F-16s from military bases outside of Ukraine, Russia will consider those military bases to be legitimate targets for annihilation, most likely using nuclear weapons.

Yet launching nuclear weapons at European military bases would likely lead to European countries launching their own nuclear missiles aimed at Russia. As those are launched, Russia would almost certainly launch its entire nuclear arsenal at targets in Europe and the United States, resulting in the near-total nuclear annihilation of the West.

Russia itself, meanwhile, has air defense systems that can bring down some portion of incoming ICBMs. In addition, Russia has nuclear fallout bunkers spread across its cities, allowing a high survival rate even if nuclear detonations occur. America, on the other hand, has virtually no nuclear preparedness and would be instantly plunged into anarchy and collapse in the aftermath of nuclear strikes.

Additionally, thanks to stimulus money and the welfare state, the American masses are fat, lazy and stupid. In contrast, thanks to years of economic sanctions, the Russian people are adaptive, resilient and resourceful. Which population do you think will fare better in the aftermath of a nuclear exchange?

On top of all this, Russia has its Poseidon nuclear-armed underwater drones parked off the coastlines of both the USA and Britain. With a single command, these drones will detonate 100 megaton nuclear warheads, unleashing a tidal wave of radioactive ocean water that inundates the coast and wipes out ports, cities and naval bases. There is no defense against that. None whatsoever. And America’s most important cities, ports and naval bases are, of course, located near the East Coast.

Yet, astonishingly, the USA doesn’t want to negotiate peace with Russia. Nor does Zelensky, a tyrannical puppet of the Biden regime. Besides, Russia has already learned that it’s pointless trying to negotiate with people who are insane and stupid, which is exactly what now characterizes the “leadership” of both the USA and NATO countries. They are all steeped in child mutilations, election rigging and the trans cult, proving to be completely dissociated from reality and utterly oblivious to the real laws of cause and effect, economics, war, nuclear weapons, currencies, supply chains and more. Sadly, the leaders currently running the show were never elected by the American people. They achieved their positions of power through fraud, psyops, propaganda and cheating. Yet those tactics won’t work against Russia, even though the West knows nothing else to try.

Russian influencers call for deploying nuclear weapons to SAVE the world from the West
Making matters even more dangerous, multiple influencers in Russia are calling for nuclear strikes against NATO and the USA in order to save the world. Here’s an article authored by Professor Sergey Karaganov, honorary chairman of Russia’s Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, and academic supervisor at the School of International Economics and Foreign Affairs Higher School of Economics (HSE) in Moscow: Sergey Karaganov: By using its nuclear weapons, Russia could save humanity from a global catastrophe. (RT.com)

The article argues that leaders of the USA and NATO countries have lost their minds (which is true) and must be shocked back to their senses using nuclear weapons (which would be catastrophic for the world). From the article by Karaganov:

But what if the present Western leaders refuse to back down? Perhaps they have lost all sense of self-preservation? Then we will have to hit a group of targets in a number of countries to bring those who have lost their senses back to their senses.

Failure to nuke the USA and NATO, argues Karaganov, will lead to the end of human civilization on planet Earth:

It’s a morally frightening choice – we would be using God’s weapon and condemning ourselves to great spiritual loss. But if this is not done, not only may Russia perish, but most likely the whole of human civilization will end.

Given the suicidal tendencies of Western European globalists who are running a bioweapons depopulation agenda on the planet, Karaganov may have a point, even if his conclusions point to a dangerous end game. But the fact that he is arguing for a limited number of nuclear strikes on numerous western cities as a kind of “warning shot” should be alarming to anyone paying attention. If Putin shares this view, then he may indeed launch such weapons with the justification that doing so is the only effective way to defend Russia against the West.

Prepare for U.S. cities to burn.


18 posted on 06/21/2023 7:45:22 PM PDT by Rennes Templar (Come back, President Trump.)
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To: delta7; Williams; gleeaikin; All

You neo-soviet fanboys and other pro-china enthusiasts are not so clever.
You have so much bad conscious about your illegal and botched invasion of Ukraine that you try to find excuses for it every single day! This is getting hilarious.

FIRST you were attacking the “Nazis” in Ukraine/
Even though they are not represented in the Ukrainian Parliament, and knowing Zelensky is Jewish and some within his family have suffered under the german nazis.

THEN, Putin changed his excuse. It was just a question of protecting Pro-Russians in Donbas, etc.

THEN, it was to wage war against the “satanists”, a holy religious war!

THEN, it was a war exclusively against the expansion of
“NATO”, which is a defensive alliance against Russian expansionism.
But when Finland joined NATO, (and soon Sweden), then Putin said that was no problem at all! He said any nations are free to join any organisation they want! So NATO wasn’t a problem anymore...

THEN; Putin found and old french map, and said that the invasion of Ukraine by Russia had to do with old historial frontiers and borders!

THEN...
What will next excuse be?
That Ukraine is the one sending secret UFO’s spying on Russia, and thus must be de-ufozied?

The Kremlin has become a madhouse filled with demented clowns running all over the place. Let’s pray for the Russian people so they can get rid of their deep state nutcases.


19 posted on 06/21/2023 7:46:32 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: Brian Griffin

“Q: A Polish soldier was confronted by a charging German soldier and a charging Russian soldier. Which did he shoot first, and why?
A: He shot the German first—business before pleasure.”


20 posted on 06/21/2023 7:48:20 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (Sandy Berger - $50,000 fine + 2 years probation + 100 hours community service + clearance suspended)
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