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When Will the World Wake Up?
Armstr Economics ^ | 21 June 2023 | Martin Armstrong

Posted on 06/21/2023 6:52:03 PM PDT by delta7

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To: Rockingham

“Poland supports Ukraine because it is the best way to check Russia, which is an existential threat to Poland’s freedom.“

Except for the fact that Poland is in NATO and Ukraine is not.
(which also happens to be a provocation for Russia’s incursion - the wests attempt to envelope Ukrainian into NATO.)

Also, except for the fact that Ukraine shares a border with Russia and Poland does not.

So nah


41 posted on 06/22/2023 7:47:38 AM PDT by CapandBall
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To: CapandBall

Check your geography. Poland has a small and fraught border with Russia. And, like the Baltic states, Russia’s other neighbors, and east Europe in general, the populace of Ukraine wants affiliation with the West instead of being under the thumb of the the thuggish, corrupt, and exploitative Russians.


42 posted on 06/22/2023 8:54:52 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Let’s not pretend the Kaliningrad exclave is an invasion route to Poland.
Also, let’s not pretend Ukraine is anything other than a former Soviet state, just like Russia, and an original founding constituent member of the USSR (unlike Poland, or Hungary, or Czech).


43 posted on 06/22/2023 11:15:40 AM PDT by CapandBall
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To: CapandBall
Kaliningrad is effectively a large Russian military base on Poland's border, with the potential to use antiaircraft and ballistic missiles and hybrid warfare tactics to put all of Poland under threat.

Throughout history, Ukraine has had its own identity and for long eras was independent. Nevertheless, Ukraine was politically part of Poland for far longer than it was part of Russia.

After the fall of the USSR, Ukrainians noticed that living standards and the way of life was much better and improving in Poland but not so much in Russia. No matter what happened in history, the Ukrainians get a choice in their future. And I have no doubt that especially now, Ukrainians prefer affiliation with the US and NATO to affiliation with Russia.

44 posted on 06/22/2023 1:01:33 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: PIF; SunkenCiv; DoughtyOne; SeekAndFind

The Toba eruption led to something like 6 years of nuclear winter. It is also suggested it killed off the human population to no more than 10,000 people, thus creating certain problems in our gene pool.


45 posted on 06/22/2023 8:50:37 PM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority!.)
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To: Williams

Poland splitting the Ukraine with Russia, would bring Russia
half a nation closer to Poland’s borders.

I’m not sold on the merits of that idea, and I’m not sold on
the idea that Poland is. The argument was raised by Russia
I believe, when Russia tried to say it was important that
it occupied the eastern half of the nation, because Poland
had designs on the Western half.

I’ve not seen any evidence that Poland was eyeing Western
Poland for invasion. Was it’s forces and supplies on the
Eastern side of Poland standing by prepared to invade.

Ah, no. (not to my knowledge)


46 posted on 06/22/2023 10:43:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: gleeaikin

I know - it will not be that bad but there is nothing else in human history to compare with the blowing of the 6 reactors to on the scale of human devastation and problems it will cause.


47 posted on 06/23/2023 6:06:44 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: gleeaikin
Nah.
48 posted on 06/23/2023 7:48:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: DoughtyOne; Williams

I think you meant to say Ukraine.

“I’ve not seen any evidence that Poland was eyeing Western
Poland [Ukraine] for invasion.”


49 posted on 06/23/2023 9:24:49 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority!.)
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To: gleeaikin

Yes, thanks...


50 posted on 06/23/2023 12:45:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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