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Politicians still lying about the dead in Lahaina
American Thinker ^ | 9/17/23 | Susan Daniels

Posted on 09/17/2023 5:15:45 PM PDT by CFW

Hawaii's Gov. Josh Green is a bald-faced liar and claims that only 31 people are still missing from the Lahaina fire that burned so hot it cremated people.

It also appears that the medical examiner, Dr. Jeremy Stuelpnagel, can bring back the dead. Stuelpnagel “confirmed” 115 dead on the island weeks ago, but now says the number is 97. He claims the discrepancy is because some people were counted twice and some were actually animals.

Did he not learn the difference between Man and animals at Universidad Autonoma de Guadalajara, where he graduated in 2008?

The claim is made that 74 bodies have been identified. That may or may not be true. The people who were cremated in the fire will never be identified.

Green is in a hurry to pass a bill that will have the burned-out properties cleared for free if owners allow the state to start immediately. Otherwise, the home and business owners will have to pay themselves and will be fined if they don’t do it quickly. Native Hawaiians say “slow down” and that they need time to figure out what to do.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: coverup; disaster; fire; hawaii; lahaina; maui
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What is the rush to make property owners make a decision. They are still mourning the dead and dealing with finding a place to live, etc.?
1 posted on 09/17/2023 5:15:45 PM PDT by CFW
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Good way to start the depopulation program in Hawaii....Annnd move in more billionaires....


2 posted on 09/17/2023 5:20:46 PM PDT by Hambone 1934 (Dems love playing Nazis.....The republicans love helping them)
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To: CFW

The smart city 2024 is coming. They need them out.


3 posted on 09/17/2023 5:22:06 PM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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If someone was going to clean up my property for free...I would be grateful....as long as my insurance company has visited the site.

Clean it up.

Yes...homeowners...you DO have to make a decision....and deal with your feelings and losses all at the same time. That's just plain reality.

4 posted on 09/17/2023 5:22:13 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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Probably similar to the initial confusion after 9/11, when it was speculated tens of thousands might have succumbed. Then they started going through employee rosters, and discovered the total number was about 3,000. It always seemed a little strange - and way high - that the initial worst-case estimate for the fires was 1,000 dead. These aren’t skyscrapers. People have cars, can drive around.


5 posted on 09/17/2023 5:25:51 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: CFW

Lying is what politicians do best.


6 posted on 09/17/2023 5:26:31 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("Try That In A Small Town" - Jason Aldean rules!)
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Mobile providers could easily make a reasonable determination.


7 posted on 09/17/2023 5:26:31 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Hambone 1934

There is talk that there may be 1,000+ people that were cremated. If so, most will never be identified. That is why they don’t want people entering the area.

Dead humans don’t talk.


8 posted on 09/17/2023 5:30:34 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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They have it down to 97. Why call it a lie.

Why continue to post 1000....a number that someone just threw out there as an early guess.

9 posted on 09/17/2023 5:34:41 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Texas Fossil

The dead can still vote, though.


10 posted on 09/17/2023 5:35:05 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Zhang Fei

People in cars were blocked from leaving by concrete blocks. They couldn’t drive out. The ones that left went offroad, whether on root or otherwise. I have no idea why they put up concrete blocks so quickly, unless the authorities wanted them dead.


11 posted on 09/17/2023 5:37:05 PM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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I knew the casualty estimates would decline as soon as the government officials told people to file formal “missing persons” reports.

Anyone can get on TV or the internet and claim that they have dozens of missing friends and relatives. And then someone else tells about THEIR dozens of missing friends and relatives … and a lot of them are either non-existent or (in the case of legitimately missing people) there are multiple people reporting the same missing ones.

Once they get to the point where they have to provide actual names and details about those “missing” people, reality has a way of taking over the narrative.

12 posted on 09/17/2023 5:37:14 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (“Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.”)
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This is assuming that the government is being honest.
I don’t think the government is being honest. Who wants to admit to having messed up enough that 1000 people died?
The number of lawsuits would bankrupt Hawaii.


13 posted on 09/17/2023 5:39:30 PM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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It doesn’t matter if the government is “honest.” Sooner or later those missing people will be identified by their friends and relatives. There are plenty of conspiracy-oriented websites that would gladly publish the names and other identifying characteristics of every missing person.


14 posted on 09/17/2023 5:43:17 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (“Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.”)
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To: Alberta's Child

The truth, or its semblance, will eventually get known. We will not know the exact number, but we will have an idea.

It’s more than the 100 people the government might be claiming, but it’s probably not 3000 either. It’s somewhere in between.


15 posted on 09/17/2023 5:45:17 PM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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To: Sacajaweau

Trusting squaw


16 posted on 09/17/2023 5:46:05 PM PDT by Wdempsey (Democrats and slinkys.. Both useless but fun to push down stairs.)
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To: CFW

They’re trying to destroy the evidence.


17 posted on 09/17/2023 5:46:45 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: Jonty30

Unless there were hundreds of aboriginals with no records among the missing, all of these victims will be identified by name, age and home address.


18 posted on 09/17/2023 5:50:41 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (“Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.”)
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To: Sacajaweau
Yes...homeowners...you DO have to make a decision....and deal with your feelings and losses all at the same time. That's just plain reality.

The reality is Lahaina property is the second most valuable property on Earth, second only to the financial district of London, worth millions of dollars per square foot.

The buildings are worthless in comparison, but useful idiots like you would be totally unaware of that because your only source of information is "brought to you by Pfizer."

The engineered wildfires provided the opportunity for the billionaire oligarchy to steal it, and useful idiots like you whole-heartedly approve.

19 posted on 09/17/2023 5:50:46 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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To: ViLaLuz

Yes, in select cities and states.


20 posted on 09/17/2023 5:51:29 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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