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Expect to see more and more truth telling in the future.
1 posted on 12/10/2023 10:42:38 AM PST by Mariner
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What does Ukraine get in return?


2 posted on 12/10/2023 10:46:05 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - keeping Europe free of Russian invaders for 74 years - you're welcome!)
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Sounds like a 70’s leftist Democrat.

Led to disaster then. Will lead to disaster again.

“We haven’t won the war yet so why spend more money on it”?

Apply that logic to Hitler (they did howd that turn out)


4 posted on 12/10/2023 10:47:22 AM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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Yes - probably along the Dnieper River. And I wouldn’t be surprised if that is all that Putin wants, along with other NATO concessions concerning Russian borders and removal of sanctions and other barriers. They really need Trump to work out a deal.


5 posted on 12/10/2023 10:48:42 AM PST by elpadre
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I think Ukes should fight to the last man, woman, and child. Once that happens war will be over for the Ukes. If it goes the other way, I’m fine with that, too. Not my circus, not my monkeys. Let the Slavs fight it out.


7 posted on 12/10/2023 10:50:14 AM PST by ChuckHam
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“The idea that Ukraine was going to throw Russia back to the 1991 border was preposterous, nobody actually believed it.”

That is basically the point here. Neither side is going to win an absolute victory, so there will be a negotiated settlement. It would be best if Russia gave up some of the conquered lands and if other parts were demilitarized, but this is going to end at some point, and it won't end in total victory or even in a return to the status quo.

8 posted on 12/10/2023 10:50:41 AM PST by x
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“Corpses and Kickbacks”

That’s what all the spending on Ukraine by our political leaders accomplished.


10 posted on 12/10/2023 10:53:10 AM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER REV. NIEMOLLER)
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Just like we serfs have gotten used to seeing our country ceded to migrant communist vermin flooding over the former borders...


11 posted on 12/10/2023 10:53:40 AM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperately need him)
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From the Uke friendly, no territorial loss, Zelensky negotiated and Uniparty DC quashed March of ‘22 settlement to unconditional surrender. Thank you, globohomo/neocon alliance.


12 posted on 12/10/2023 10:56:07 AM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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That’s right J.D., give the mass murderers a little something for the effort. /s


15 posted on 12/10/2023 10:58:37 AM PST by WeaslesRippedMyFlesh (Wake me up when somebody tells the truth.)
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Lines are arbitrary but what is the lesson? That aggression pays.

Will we put American troops on whatever border is decided upon, also other NATO countries, signalling to Putin that the next invasion means an actual war with the west, not merely a proxy war? If not, the lesson learned by Putin is if at first you don’t succeed, try, try again.

Appeasement didn’t work with Iran. Unfreezing $6 billion resulted in Iran’s proxies in Gaza, Iraq, and Yemen going on the warpath, not only against Israel, but against us.

Appeasement didn’t work with Venezuela. Lifting sanctions on that country resulting in their massing troops on the border of Guyana.

I could, of course, go back in time, but the lesson is obvious: appeasement is taken as a sign of weakness, and results in more war.

It’s because of American weakness that the world is in flames, not because of American strength. Trump reduced the number of wars we were in, with peace through strength. Biden has jacked the number of wars we are in, with appeasement.

The lion will lie down with the lamb when we’re the lion.


16 posted on 12/10/2023 10:58:42 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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Reckless appeasement to a murderous psychopath .


19 posted on 12/10/2023 11:00:22 AM PST by ncalburt ( Gop DC Globalists are the evil ones)
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There went the VP audition AND the audition to be on the alpha+ Senate Foreign Relation Comintern.

Nice one, hillbilly.

28 posted on 12/10/2023 11:06:47 AM PST by StAnDeliver (TrumpII)
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It is the business of Ukraine what they are willing to do or not do to stop Russia from attacking them.

Of course land for peace generally ends with no land and no peace but entirely their business.

If the EU wants to get involved their business.

We should stay out of it.

BTW this is exactly what I predicted would happen once the US got tired of babysitting Europe. There will be a bunch of petty and not so petty wars because war is the natural state of Europe.

There is nothing they like as much as they like killing each other.

31 posted on 12/10/2023 11:10:12 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( In a quaint alleyway, they graciously signaled for a vehicle on the main road to lead the way. )
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Just think of the billions of taxpayer dollars stolen from workers’ paychecks we could prevent from Joe Pedo Inc giving to Zelenskyyyyy if the Ruzzkis did take over the Ukraine.


39 posted on 12/10/2023 11:27:22 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The damage Biden and his freak show is doing to America is not reversable.)
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In some of the areas, the population is predominately Russian.

One could make the case we need to cede parts of California to Mexico.


41 posted on 12/10/2023 11:33:58 AM PST by alternatives?
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This isn't about the land...it's about ethnic cleansing. The Ukie leaders have spent the last 20 years filling their population with hate for the Russians.

No elections....close Russian churches, no Russian speaking allowed...

48 posted on 12/10/2023 11:57:37 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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Did you get your COVID shot when you ‘had no choice’?


59 posted on 12/10/2023 12:23:43 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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Pure stupidity. Even if it's realistic (and I have always though there would have to be some concessions), it's simply stupid to publicly make concessions before negotiations have even started.

Just another sign that the Ukrainians should take no advice regarding the conduct of war from an American elite that has lost virtually every war it has fought in the past 80 years.

68 posted on 12/10/2023 12:38:20 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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This is one of those think it but don’t say it moments. Being a Senator he should know better


76 posted on 12/10/2023 12:56:51 PM PST by gibsonguy
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Neither Russia or Ukraine will be allowed to end this war, if either tries to end this, it will only result in escalation.

The only possibility to stop this is a President Trump.


80 posted on 12/10/2023 1:36:06 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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