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As losses mount, Ukrainians fiercely debate future of draft
AFP (Agence France-Presse) ^ | January 5, 2024 | Andriy KALCHENKO with Ania TSOUKANOVA

Posted on 01/06/2024 10:13:18 AM PST by Mount Athos

After an initial outpouring of patriotism in the months after Russia's invasion began, the realities of the battlefield -- and mobilisation -- have largely set in among Ukraine's population.

Heavy casualties and almost two years of grinding trench warfare have sparked a fierce debate on the future of the draft, an ever more pertinent topic as the army struggles to fill its ranks.

President Volodymyr Zelensky warned last month the military wanted to mobilise up to half a million people to battle the 600,000 or so Russian soldiers deployed in Ukraine.

The patriotic impetus of the early months, when Ukrainians went en masse to the front voluntarily, is no longer there.

More and more often, stories of men desperately trying to evade the draft appear in Ukrainian media.

In December, the government submitted a draft bill to parliament lowering the age of military service from 27 to 25 and simplifying the process of enlistment.

After a major backlash, several lawmakers and the presidency gave assurances the text would be debated and amended.-

The proposed changes to the draft prompted an outcry on social media...

Ruling party lawmaker Mariana Bezugla suggested exempting people from mobilisation in exchange for a substantial donation to the budget.

Former economy minister Tymofy Mylovanov raised the idea of a draft lottery...

There have also been calls for troops to be rotated and for those who have been at the front for a long time to be demobilised.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: ntsa; russia; ukraine
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1 posted on 01/06/2024 10:13:18 AM PST by Mount Athos
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The Ukraine probably has an election coming up soon. Then the people can either re-elect the war party, or replace them with new leaders.


2 posted on 01/06/2024 10:14:55 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: Mount Athos

I know where to find a few million military-age men. They’re crossing our southern border every single day.

Round them up, and instead of flying them to New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Boston, fly them to Kiev.

Tell them that if they survive the war, they can live in Ukraine.


3 posted on 01/06/2024 10:15:42 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: BenLurkin
The Ukraine probably has an election coming up soon.

Has this been reversed?

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4296123-ukraine-russia-war-volodymyr-zelensky-not-the-right-time-elections/

4 posted on 01/06/2024 10:18:29 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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Ruling party lawmaker Mariana Bezugla suggested exempting people from mobilisation in exchange for a substantial donation to the budget.

Yes, the Yankee model in the War to Suppress States Rights. But apparently someone who never read about the New York draft riots. Or for that matter the Viet Nam draft protest where folks couldn't buy their way out, but could hide in Universities and Seminaries, or buy medical diagnoses.

5 posted on 01/06/2024 10:22:05 AM PST by PAR35
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6 posted on 01/06/2024 10:23:44 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Mount Athos

Ukraine has lost an entire generation of young men which will have a serious effect on necessary population growth.


7 posted on 01/06/2024 10:25:45 AM PST by elpadre
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To: Mount Athos

Time for war slaves!


8 posted on 01/06/2024 10:31:33 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up. And at the very moment young women )
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To: BenLurkin
The Ukraine probably has an election coming up soon.

Elections have been cancelled in Banderastan.

9 posted on 01/06/2024 10:32:26 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Mount Athos

Hey Zelenskyyyyy. No more American taxpayer dollars until you start drafting at least half of these sicko migrants brought into America by Obammy, Bidenskyyyy and the Clintoons.


10 posted on 01/06/2024 10:46:39 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The odds of Making America Great Again have now fallen to zero. The American dream is dead.)
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To: BenLurkin
The Ukraine probably has an election coming up soon.

We had an election during the Civil War in 1864. Zelensky canceled his plans to hold an election in Ukraine.

11 posted on 01/06/2024 10:49:09 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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Zelensky’s a totalitarian thug - he and his goons will make the call. There is NO meaningful ‘debate’ in hellhole cultures. There’s no meaningful ‘debate’ in Russia either... Or for that matter in the US. Look at our open border - THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN AND THEY WANT THE BORDER CLOSED. Biden and his goons can’t lie about the border being closed because we all have eyes...


12 posted on 01/06/2024 10:53:05 AM PST by GOPJ (FoxNews Lawrence Jones needs to visit Black, Hispanic and Asian breakfast places. Time to get real)
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Zelensky sure likes sending white Christian men to their deaths.


13 posted on 01/06/2024 10:56:24 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: BenLurkin

Russia already has 450k men in training after graduating in December 2023 400k. Ukraine is going to be overwhelming out manned. This is the first time in two years Russia will actually match man for mam the Ukrainian army in the field. To this point, Russia has been fighting with 190k to 300k. In June Russia will field yet another Army Group with new equipment sending the projected Russian Army to four Combined Arms Army Corps of 400m each.

Ukraine is now relegated to pure defensive operations as was their NAZI great grandfather’s.

Russia is going to dictate the terms of surrender as they did in 1945.


14 posted on 01/06/2024 11:09:30 AM PST by Jumper
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Did the South get a vote in the 1864 election too?


15 posted on 01/06/2024 11:12:48 AM PST by desertsolitaire ( M)
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Did the South get a vote in the 1864 election too?

They decided to leave the Union in 1864.

16 posted on 01/06/2024 11:16:04 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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Ukraine is now relegated to pure defensive operations as was their NAZI great grandfather’s.

I agree with mostly what you said except that the Ukrainians are not Nazis.

17 posted on 01/06/2024 11:17:08 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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They decided to leave the Union in 1864.

1860/1861

18 posted on 01/06/2024 11:23:22 AM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Mount Athos

Now when Ukrainians apply for their Social Security benefits, they’er automatically registered for the Draft.....


19 posted on 01/06/2024 11:25:32 AM PST by G Larry ("XFKAT" We can't keep spelling out "X Formerly Known As Twitter"!)
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Can non-russians really believe that if Ukraine gives up the World will be safe again? Russia will get the message they can take over any country they want and kill as many people as they wish. Ukraine did not force Russia to attack. The Russians thought it would be a cake walk. It would be better for the US to support Ukraine to do the combat instead of waiting until Russia attacks NATO and we have to put 5 Divisions on the front lines.


20 posted on 01/06/2024 11:38:23 AM PST by POGO163
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