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US Marines rush wonky amphibious vehicles to the Pacific
Asia Times ^

Posted on 01/29/2024 7:39:26 PM PST by FarCenter

The US Marine Corps (USMC) is set to deploy its advanced Amphibious Combat Vehicle (ACV) to the Pacific despite questions about its readiness, maintenance and operation amid recent restrictions on surf-based use of the platform.

The ACV deployment, expected in or around March, aims to fill a looming amphibious warfare ship shortage amid rising tensions with China over Taiwan.

Defense News reported the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit will deploy with the ACVs aboard the US Navy’s Boxer Amphibious Ready Group (ARG) in phases, with the amphibious transport dock Somerset heading to the Pacific in the coming days for a six-month scheduled deployment.

The Defense News report says that the amphibious assault ship USS Boxer and the dock landing ship USS Harpers Ferry will deploy about two months later due to ship readiness and maintenance challenges.

The ACV is slated to replace the USMC’s aging Amphibious Assault Vehicles (AAV), which have been in service since the 1970s. Defense News mentions that the eight-wheeled ACV can emerge from a ship, transit waves and then roll onto shore, allowing the military’s amphibious force to conduct amphibious operations.

However, ACV operations have been restricted for nearly 18 months after one rolled over in the water during training exercises in October 2022, prompting the USMC to halt nearly all surf-based operations, Defense News reports.

The ACV has also faced challenges on land, including December 2023 rollover that killed a Marine aboard at a California USMC base.

The USMC has attributed the mishaps to training shortfalls and said it is on the process of recertifying vehicle operators and maintainers. But even the operators who have been recertified are not yet authorized to transit the surf zone with embarked troops or when the average height of the tallest waves is four feet or higher, Defense News reports.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiamerican; chat; notnews; propaganda

1 posted on 01/29/2024 7:39:26 PM PST by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter

I feel bad for all the straight people serving in the armed forces.


2 posted on 01/29/2024 7:45:54 PM PST by chuckb87
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To: FarCenter

A landing craft that cannot go through the surf and takes wheels over tracks. And in the Pacific where you never find sand. Sounds like another great idea from the modern genius USMC generals angling for a Board of Directors position somewhere.
Fits well with a USMC that is getting rid of all it’s tanks, nearly all of it’s artillery, snipers, huge chunks of heavy lift and attack helos and tactical air.

They must go to that War College or something between their stints at Kennedy School of government and networking with BAE and Lockheed execs.


3 posted on 01/29/2024 8:04:37 PM PST by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI)
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To: FarCenter

Let me guess. They’ll be stored in large yards where they
can be destroyed in mass on a Chinese whim.


4 posted on 01/29/2024 8:16:50 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: FarCenter

Each Amphibious Combat Vehicle (ACV)has a sticker which says: “This End (Hopefully) Up”


5 posted on 01/29/2024 8:23:14 PM PST by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis! Goldwater in 2024)
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To: FarCenter
The USMC has attributed the mishaps to training shortfalls and said it is on the process of recertifying vehicle operators and maintainers. But even the operators who have been recertified are not yet authorized to transit the surf zone with embarked troops or when the average height of the tallest waves is four feet or higher,

This thing sounds like it would be a nightmare in combat.

Who is gonna get us off this beach, soldier?

Not me sir - I haven't taken the 18 month training course! Not me sir, I haven't been re-certified! I could, but those waves are above 4 feet! I can't do that!

6 posted on 01/29/2024 8:35:48 PM PST by PGR88
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To: FarCenter

They want more money.

What did they do with theo ey we already gave them?


7 posted on 01/29/2024 8:45:25 PM PST by Fido969
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To: FarCenter

Fill it with fags and see if it floats


8 posted on 01/29/2024 8:57:12 PM PST by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: Fido969
They piss it away and give it to contractors for uniquely specified and over priced junk like this and F-35s etc. How else do you think fag officers would get so many plush jobs after retirement or people like Hailey would get on the board for Boeing?

ALL of gooberment is out of control. Every bit of it needs to be fired.

9 posted on 01/29/2024 10:15:24 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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To: PGR88

LATE to the Red Chinese threat to Taiwan?


10 posted on 01/30/2024 3:50:25 AM PST by Does so ( 🇺🇦..."Christian-Nationalists" won WWII...Biden NOT NEXT DNC nominee!)
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To: FarCenter

Please terminate all “journalists” who use the word “wonkey”.


11 posted on 01/30/2024 4:02:50 AM PST by Fireone (Who killed Obama's chef?)
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To: FarCenter

Please terminate all “journalists” who use the word “wonky”.


12 posted on 01/30/2024 4:03:39 AM PST by Fireone (Who killed Obama's chef?)
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To: PGR88

The remedial counseling can and should lead to a discharge - but in a real military it would be negligence and punishment with prison time if people died from from individual’s incompetence.

Again, recruiting sub-IQ people to defend a Nation after your more Intelligent military High Tech force is pushed out due to racism.

When American cities burn, people will say they deserved it.


13 posted on 01/30/2024 5:36:27 AM PST by Jumper
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To: FarCenter
I cannot speak for the ACV, but I can for the AAV (Assault Amphibious Vehicle); the ACV's predecessor. It was/is a 26 ton beer can (aluminum body). I liked them but there are severe limitations. Top speed on a road is about 45 MPH (if in good shape), but only 5-7 MPH in the water. And that is the weakness- the speed in water. Going that slow will get you killed if anyone is on the beach waiting for you. You can add amour (and they do during ground operations), but you can't put too much on because then the AAV rides too low in the water. The AAV is wonderful in desert operations, because it is waterproof, so desert sand has little impact. Another weakness is it height. They are very tall, so you have to work really hard to keep the enemy from having a clear shot. It was a really good design in the 1970s, but time has moved on.

I am not saying that the ACV is the solution, just the technology of the AAV is old and the AAVs in service are ancient. While the AAVs were always breaking down (We were exceptional at towing broken AAVs.); a good crew could get them back up very quickly. From my very limited conversations with Marines today, the AAV is past its expiration date- things that never broke before are breaking now with regularity.

14 posted on 01/30/2024 6:26:51 AM PST by fini
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To: FarCenter

Nothing against the Marine Corps but sometimes their equipment demands are ... unreasonable. Like why are they spending more for their modernized/updated/evolved Cobra attack helicopters (the AH-1Z Viper) than the Army pays for its latest block of AH-64 Longbow Apaches?

Similarly, one of the reasons the F-35B has been such a giraffe is that the Corps insisted on a replacement for the Harrier that was supersonic, stealthy, and STOVL (short take-off and vertical landing) capable. It would have been much less the problem child if there’d been an adult in the room to tell them, “Pick any two — supersonic, stealthy, or STOVL — but you can’t have all three.”


15 posted on 01/30/2024 4:10:45 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: Paal Gulli
"...why are they spending more for their modernized/updated/evolved Cobra attack helicopters (the AH-1Z Viper)...."

...which is, in effect, dragging a 1960s airframe into the 21st Century.

16 posted on 01/30/2024 4:19:19 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: FarCenter

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/01/26/marine-corps-new-amphibious-vehicle-will-deploy-pacific-after-2022-rollover-restricted-its-use.html

Early last year, the Marine Corps fired the commander in charge of the Assault Amphibian School, who was responsible for training Marines in ACV operations and maintenance.


17 posted on 01/30/2024 4:25:07 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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