Posted on 03/09/2024 6:43:49 AM PST by CFW
Those police orders were both contradictory and illegal. The older driver was told to leave. Then he was told to stay. And where he was parked was legal in the first place.
It’s not like the older guy pulled his truck up a few feet behind the cops. He was a considerable distance away. He was no threat at all. I do not blame the cops for talking to him, to see what he was up to. But then leave him alone.
Should the older guy have been more cooperative? You bet. But had I been given contradictory and illegal orders I’d be a bit upset too.
Pretty good income for a little shocking.....
If you can stand the sting then enjoy the money
and set up your family with it also.
You got my vote on that.....Amazing what a 2# badge will do for some folks...there’s good and there’s bad in every occupation but law enforcement often attracts those where force and pressure appeals to..(bad grammar, I know).
Many years ago in CA we had a neighbor who was a cop and such a hot head that he stoned our Doberman - over the shared fence between back yards - because the dog jumped at his cat who liked to walk on top of the fence. The dog took refuge in the garage and he pelted rocks through the door leading out of the garage into the yard. Swore he wasn’t trying to hit the dog. Some years later, the cat made the mistake of jumping from the fence into our yard. I’ll spare you the details.
A settlement pad by the county and its insurance company does nothing to hold anyone accountable. The victim certainly deserves compensation but the thugs got away with the abuse.
Tell me how this fixes the problem.
“”Didn’t the cops need probable cause?””
Correct. We’re all judge and jury here but we lay persons know that when the cop went through the guy’s truck, that was certainly against the law...opening the center console, taking out some papers, looking in the back seat etc. What on earth was he looking for and what gave him that right?
The guy didn’t break any law. The original complaint seemed to be he followed the officer’s vehicle too close on slick roads. We could see cars going by while the cam was running and those motorists didn’t seem to be driving on roads that were slick.
I’m sure your boyfriend appreciates your attitude.
Hang in there man. With any luck these roided out badge monkeys will be reemployed in your district next and you'll get to know them up close and personal. If you live through it you can watch the video of your actions while getting conflicting orders. I'm sure you'll handle it like a champ. "ZAP! Stop resisting! ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP!" I can't wait for your utube debut. It will be comedy gold.
Unbelievable.
Yeah but the orders were mixed. The one cop was yelling for him to leave, the other cop who was walking back to the cruiser said “that’s it, he can’t leave now” or something to that effec- just as the driver was pulling away. The cop near the truck then started yelling “stop”, which the man did- confused, then backed up to get off the road?
I think all that might play into the verdict even though he was a butthead arguing with the cops in the first place. He did try to comply, if not begrudgingly
LOL!
“Who wants to hire hot heads like that for ANY job?”
Forty years ago, their careers would be over, but today so many police departments are desperate for help, they just want warm bodies. These two will find a job in another state and cost the taxpayers elsewhere.
Yup, watching this video my blood pressure went up from anger. Mr. Espinoza should take some of his 1.5 Million and use it to sue these Cops. Don’t let up. Make it hurt. $$$$$$$$$$$
Here is one for your ping list nully. Some of the usual suspects have already chimed in.
[[The off-duty cop had the nerve to ask that the guy he punched be arrested for breach of the peace. No can do, said the investigating officer. There’s video.]]
And yet, there was video of a black woman repeatedly smashing her car into another white man’s car beczuse he wouldn’t move after she had backed into him
She got in her car and sped off after getting out and screaming at him for the 3rd time. Leaving the scene of an accident she did.
Cops “investigsted” and actually made the asinine statement that they “couldn’t arrest her” because “video doesn’t tell the whole story” yet the whole incident was caught on camera, plain as day- she even attempted to hit the man when he got out to “try to protect his car from further damage”
I was stunned/not stunned by the outcome. Another person not connected had been videoing the whole,thing- there was no ambiguity at all- no chance of misinterpreting what took place.
It happend in Los Angeles of course.
Another incident with a black da who was shown evidence of gang shootout in traffic which was stopped because of the shootout. Clear as day, showed a man get murdered. Da refused to prosecute citing the fact that she “determined that the evidence was insufficient to meet our burden of proof to approve felony charges,”(even though uniformed officers who were caught in the traffic jam had their cameras rolling for the whole time, capturing everything) and also citing that the incident was “mutual combat”
> …even though he was a butthead arguing with the cops in the first place. <
I would gently disagree with that. The older driver had done absolutely nothing wrong. If it were a “fair cop” (as the Brits would say), then yes. You committed a crime, and you know it. They’ve got you. Best to just go along with the program. Resist at your own peril.
But human beings are not robots. We are not programmed to instantly obey. Most of us would get upset when given an illegal command. Especially when we knew we did nothing wrong.
A good cop would understand this, and give the citizen a bit of leeway. A bad cop would let his ego take over.
Do prefer the taste of black or brown Kiwi boot polish the best?
Sod off troll.
Slow law enforcement day ? It was just a friggin traffic stop that ends up costing 1.5 Million and 2 Cops their jobs. Talk about unhinged rage over nothing by the Cops. Wow......Hopefully the video is used for education in training of what NOT to do.
Dr. Clarissa Cole on After Hours AM April 17, 2019“Any police department (or university faculty, or military unit, etc.) is only as good as the worst psycho they tolerate.” ~ H/T RedStateRocker(Start at 1:18:31)
Dr. Cole: He had an epiphany; he was going to become a cop!
Eric Olsen: Ha ha ha what??? Uh, so, wait a minute, he was told by a former employer, if you ever, you better never get a job where you have influence over others, an authority position, or I’ll do whatever it takes to stop you. So wouldn’t becoming a cop kinda give him the ultimate authority over people?
Dr. Cole: Well, you know, lucky for all these other people, he kept moving from county to county so they weren’t really, uh, yeah, it is the ultimate authority he was just moving around so people wouldn’t know what he was doing, and I think getting out of the teaching profession they didn’t know what he was going to do.
He eventually applied to the Broward County Police Unit; he was rejected, though, because he failed the psychological test.
Eric Olsen: Oh that’s it he’s out of the career. No career for him He’s obviously unstable…
Dr. Cole: One, you know what? One would think so, and I actually used to perform these psych tests, and oh, do I have stories! You would think that it would even, it’s supposed to, let me tell you how it’s supposed to work, it’s supposed to prevent you from getting a job as a police officer or a prison guard.
Eric Olsen: Sure.
Dr. Cole: Does that always occur?
Eric Olsen: I would hope that it does.
Dr. Cole: No, no, no, I would say 50% of the time.
Eric Olsen: What?
Dr. Cole: It’s supposed to be a be a requirement, a REQUIREMENT, if you don’t pass, if you are not psychologically fit, you are not supposed to become a police officer or a prison guard. Does that actually preclude you from becoming a police officer even as long ago as what, 2005? No, I was doing them in 2005. Half of the people I rejected still became a cop.
Eric Olsen: How does that happen? How do they get around this?
Dr. Cole: Oh God there so many ways
Eric Olsen: Is it a buddy, a dad?
Dr. Cole: My son, he’s the son of my buddy, his dad is a cop, he has to be a cop, he’s going to work in this county and we’re really understaffed, we need people, we know he failed, but it’s OK. The amount of excuses I heard to employ people.
And that’s the thing, just so the general public is aware, it’s difficult to fail, it’s difficult to fail one of these psychological…
Eric Olsen: What would cause one…
Dr. Cole: It’s not like the bar is so darned high that no one could pass, it’s nothing LIKE that, this test is just to find out is this person basically psychologically stable, are they non-sadistic, do they not have criminal or punishing tendencies or narcissistic tendencies themselves. Basically you’re trying to weed out anybody that has a like God complex; I’m judge, jury, and executioner. You want to get those people out of there. You’re trying to get people out of there that are just psychiatrically so unstable that they can’t control their emotions so, maybe some sort of bipolar thing going on or somebody that absolutely clearly has a personality disorder, like narcissistic personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder, borderline personality disorder. They are not
Eric Olsen: Checks and balances. Checks and balances to protect the general public from somebody that would not do well in that position.
Dr. Cole: And I was very, yeah, I was extremely, forgiving on these psychological tests even when somebody would sort of hit sort of some of those marks on the tests we would give, I would ask in interviews I would ask a ton of questions just to be very, very sure that this person was indeed failing the psychological exam, and I did not fail that many people, but the people I failed, please believe me that it was for extremely good reasons, extremely good reasons, and half of them became cops anyway.
Eric Olsen: So when they‘d leave would they go to a different state and do it?
Dr. Cole: Hah no, they would get hired by different a county, like a couple minutes over usually. Somebody knew them and “Now let’s pick them up.” “No, no, no, he has really strong sadistic tendencies and fantasies of rape and murder, you really shouldn’t hire him” and they would. And that’s exactly, I hope it’s different that was like I said, this was in 2005, it scared the heck out of me and I said I would never have a career doing that I don’t want to know that those people are becoming officers.
Eric Olsen: Tell me it’s in the minority, though, that this happens.
Dr. Cole: It’s in the minority that people fail, the majority of people passed. But those that do fail, like I said it’s for very good reason, but half of them. Half of them got picked up. So no, it’s not a minority a full 50% got hired.
Eric Olsen: That is truly a scary number out there that 50% of...
Dr. Cole: It’s a small sample, a small sample that was in a place that was economically depressed and needed officers…
(End at 1:23:29)
The two women delivering newspapers that day survived...
He did try to comply, if not begrudgingly.
You can’t refuse to leave the scene when cops order you to, and then expect to be allowed to escape when cops try to detain you for your refusal.
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