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To: Vlad0

There was never a chance that Russia would lose this war with a country right on its border. Ukraine was destroyed for nothing (other than advancing US interests by driving a wedge between Europe and Russia).


9 posted on 04/06/2024 2:26:13 PM PDT by jimwatx
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To: jimwatx
I can't believe that the western powers are so stupid and ignorant of history. That part of the world around the Ukraine has been embroiled in conflict since the dawn of history. There are never any winners.

12 posted on 04/06/2024 2:30:29 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: jimwatx
As Churchill pointed out, the lesson of history is that countries and peoples who meekly surrender tend to perish, while those who go down fighting have good reason to hope that they may one day rise again and recover their freedom. Poland today is a good example of this, going from dismal partition and brutal occupation in WW II, to helping break the Soviet Union in the final stage of the Cold War, to robust strength and independence today.

Russia lacks the manpower and military strength to occupy Ukraine indefinitely, while any compliant puppet government they install or favor in Ukraine will be overthrown. To use a term from Soviet military analysis, the long term "correlation of forces" is strongly against Russian control of Ukraine no matter Putin's fantastical thinking to the contrary.

Putin of course will one day pass from the scene and a post-Putin government will have to recognize and accept that even if Ukraine is defeated, they cannot be subjugated indefinitely, at least not at a bearable cost. In that sense, even if Ukraine's resistance today fails, it is nevertheless a hard and bloody down payment toward Ukraine's freedom from Russian control, whether in the current war or in a future struggle.

60 posted on 04/07/2024 5:49:23 AM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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