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'Clindit'
The Wall Street Journal ^ | CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS

Posted on 09/06/2001 9:18:24 PM PDT by VinnyTex

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:03:29 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

"Clindit." The combo name has a vague but appropriate indecency to it. Even those who repudiate the parallelism are compelled to run a sort of check-off list to reassure themselves that there isn't any real comparison between Gary Condit and Bill Clinton. (And it must say something about the "legacy" of our most recent ex-president that this uncouth auction of comparable features is most forcibly suggested by mentions of the suborning of perjury and the obstruction of justice.) How far may the analogy be extended?


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To: VinnyTex
hitchens bump.
clintons rump
61 posted on 09/08/2001 3:36:54 AM PDT by prognostigaator
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To: Chemnitz
I think rape fits into the Clinton persona as a feature of total victory over others. Armies often rape, loot, and murder as side-benefits of their military conquests. Boy Clinton was not a pacifist, just a coward. He was not against war. He was just against a particular war where he might get hurt. His terror when facing crowds in Africa (caught on tape) was a good example of his personal courage. Lady Macbeth is much worse, because she has always been the " keeper of the beast". I doubt whether anyone could find a couple more heartless and evil. Shame on us for electing and re-electing them.

Perfectly stated. And I agree 100%. Especially about clinton's cowardice...it makes my blood chill just to think of that worm's pathetic yellow streak. And yeah...rape is about power and the only human beings that bulbous coke head will EVER be able to conquer are the unwilling women he chooses to rape when the opportunity arises.

And as for hellary being the " keeper of the beast", yeah, the keeper, a keeper who hides a WORSE monster under a veneer of putrid, dripping sap. When I see bill and hill clinton on the tube or in photos-I don't see what is in front of me-I see two sociopaths, two ugly souls who lack not only consciences but who lack civility, two genuinely failed people who have tried to tear apart our rule of law and culture. They really are beasts. Spawn of you know who.

62 posted on 09/08/2001 5:53:02 AM PDT by Republic
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To: backhoe
>>I had forgotten about the 3 SS officer's allegations, however.

I didn't catch that either - which link?

63 posted on 09/08/2001 5:56:01 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: blue jeans
Women (and any of the other 'small' people of the world) are to be used in their Machivaellian Socialist minds.

Have you ever seen two sicker users reach such heights? They still have power over me because I feel OUTRAGE each time I see them....especially if I have the misfortune to hear them. THEY ARE SUPREME USERS....and I cannot figure out for the life of me why so many fail to see this.

64 posted on 09/08/2001 5:57:01 AM PDT by Republic
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To: Ada Coddington
The other possibility for victim #3 is a 14 year old Little Rock girl who claimed Clinton raped her during a cocaine party. We don't know her name.

To tell ya the truth Ada-I was thinking of Gracen-but now I remember she refused to call his assault a rape-only an unwelcome situation. But ya know-my guess is there are many, many rapes in clinton's twilight zone of a life, many. Because to me...dropping your drawers and pulling out one's penis and flashing it at someone who is shocked and ordering them to 'kiss it' is a rape of sorts...especially when you do it as their icon, their 'big boss' and consider the power such a freak has over one NOT ONLY in the physical sense....but in the very REAL sense of your employment.....ie Juanita Broaddrick's dilemma after the rape. I can say that I genuinely hate what bill and hillary clinton and their freaky friends and hollywood filth have done to our culture. Talk about modeling depravity. They could write the book. Defining deviancy down, the Moynihan mantra, does not take it far enough. How sad that goofy would be senate philosopher handed his senate seat to a pig.

65 posted on 09/08/2001 6:03:00 AM PDT by Republic
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To: The Raven
It's just a snippet in "The War Room" link:

the intimidation of other women and , according to one source, the sexual harassment of up to three female Secret Service agents.

66 posted on 09/08/2001 6:06:58 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: blue jeans
I can asssure you that if she was complicit (as has been alleged) that there ain't love between em (as most folks would describe it in a marriage).
I think you are correct when you say h*ll is complicit. Now she knows and does nothing. But I disagree with your assessment of their life. (LOL of course we're both just "theorizing" here!) I think she fell in love with him in college, and lowered her moral self to his level so she could be with him. (Probably was always maleable in this) No, I believe hillery started out loving bill, and is now co-dependent because of the power. But I agree - she is ruthless as he, perhaps more so because she is so calculated about it. Aw heck, they're BOTH calculating!
67 posted on 09/08/2001 8:42:59 AM PDT by Libertina
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To: Chemnitz
You are so right about the Africa thing. I noticed it at the time, his sheer terror when he thought the crowd was going to break through the rope line and get to him.

Loved the way the media played that one as "Him trying to protect the crowd." What a crock!

No wonder Clinton didn't go to Vietnam, he's a bleeping coward just like the rest of those draft dodgers.

68 posted on 09/08/2001 8:49:43 AM PDT by The Right Stuff
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To: The Right Stuff
A lot of media images were edited so we could not see the real Clinton, but the African terror scene was well publicized. They had plenty of examples on film of Clinton groping a girl. Some footage appeared only after he was out of office. I think the media were criminal in covering up for both Clintons. I thought the Noo Yawk press would finally go after Lady Macbeth during her run for the Senate, but she was treated as if she were St. Bernadette pointing the way to Lourdes
69 posted on 09/08/2001 10:10:37 AM PDT by Chemnitz
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To: AmishDude
Reason i thought it was coke is......Oval Office...Oral Sex....Daytime. How many people do you know that would be all worked up (on their own) to do this in a practically public place???
71 posted on 09/08/2001 10:18:19 AM PDT by DooDahhhh
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To: backhoe
the intimidation of other women and , according to one source, the sexual harassment of up to three female Secret Service agents.

Ooohh...the Paula Jones team should have called them to the stand.

Clinton was a piece of work, wasn't he? The Nation's worst prez.

72 posted on 09/08/2001 11:12:39 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: The Raven
Clinton was a piece of work, wasn't he? The Nation's worst prez

He was certainly the worst man ever to be president... but the true horror of it all was that he got re-elected.
That showed me, as nothing else ever had, the Rot behind all the glitz & glamor of our celebrity-worshipping "culture."

73 posted on 09/08/2001 2:16:41 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Republic
But ya know-my guess is there are many, many rapes in clinton's twilight zone of a life, many.

Remember that Broadderick said that he bit her lip. This is the mark of someone who has raped before. They do it to keep their victim silent.

74 posted on 09/08/2001 3:59:08 PM PDT by Ada Coddington
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To: Stealthy
I can give you some insight.

The Cruise Missile Attacks Clinton ordered were questioned by the Joint Staff and others. His Aides pressured commanders to attack--despite the evidence.

Clearly--this was an abuse of the Military to divert attention from Monica Lewinsky's Testimony. The Following Day--Arab women were seen on CNN sporting Signs that read "NO WAR FOR MONICA!"

If you can't get it now--you are either hopeless or stupid.

75 posted on 09/08/2001 4:15:29 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Republic
I think you're right on the money. They are 'users' to the extreme. Wasn't McDoogall (sp?) that likened them to a hurricane just passing through.

As to why Americans couldn't see it coming, couldn't see as it was happening as it as it played it's ugly self out, and can't see it even nowas a post-mortem (i.e. right now when Condit is highlighting his legacy).... THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION!

Could it be that we have forgotten God and have embraced moral relativism (so there's no more 'right' and wrong anymore)??? There's only intentions now and feelings and anything done in pursuit of those is justifiable???

I think that this 'lack of grounding' enabled our country to not be able to stand up and point out wicked behaviour and call it as such (pick your topic: persistent lying, womanizing, possibly rape, eh?).

Consequently when a public man who was guilty of those kinds of things stood up and said, "Yep, I'm that.. but who ain't? I'm no saint." [As I seem to remember was Clinton's pat speech when he would be a guest speaker in churches], then boy did we set ourselves up as a nation.

Anyhow, because we want to give people the benefit of the doubt (being somewhat big-hearted and somewhat frank that none of us are perfect), we lowered the bar and in short gave him carte blanche to do whatever he wanted. He was 'one of us' or so we were told. [fwiw - he ain't like me and he's like no one I care to associate myself with.]

In reality, he was much much worse and when you have a shameless man taking the million's of people 'benefit of a doubt', then you have a shamefull, absolutely apalling behaviour. And he 'used' America (IMO)the same way he used folks all along the way up the ladder.

In a nutshell, I don't know how anyone could fall for that lip-biting act either. If that's what he used to attack Juanita B. (so to speak), then that's ironically how he was able to 'use' the country as well.

Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.

Or better still, to quote the master: "You will know them by their fruits."

76 posted on 09/08/2001 4:27:16 PM PDT by blue jeans
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To: VinnyTex,Betty Jo
But the robotic repetition of this transparent concoction did not possess any of Mr. Clinton's psychopathic flair.

God help me. I love that line too much.

77 posted on 09/08/2001 4:53:07 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: blue jeans
Or better still, to quote the master: "You will know them by their fruits."

Yep-that kinda covers the situation, perfectly.

...we lowered the bar and in short gave him carte blanche to do whatever he wanted. He was 'one of us' or so we were told. [fwiw - he ain't like me and he's like no one I care to associate myself with.]

No kidding, I don't know anyone like him, either. And would run like heck from anyone who even approached his level of depravity.

As an aside, I will never forget, EVER, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, and Dan Rather looking directly into the lens of the camera and asking this question, in all seriousness, " Does CHARACTER really matter? ". (This phrase was repeated over and over by democratic pundits and newsreaders attempting to reduce the horror of clinton's actions on the American psyche.)

They (the pundits and so called major news media outlets) spent a LOT of the clinton reign of terror doing this in different ways-all the while tearing down our dream or hope of having respectable statesmen in our public arena. As if such a qualification, a qualification for public office that requires honor, dignity, respect, humbleness, and a general statesmanlike demeanor, was simply a unattainable dream. They were asking us to accept the sludge, instead. And accept it as a normal, as if we all live in such a clintonian realm of sociopathic relativism. They wanted us ALL to think, as you said, that we are all 'just like bill'. Horsehockey.

It was the asking of that very question, the actual suggestion it gave that one's character was not relevant to one's work, that absolutely opened my eyes to the clintonian trashing of our culture, as well as the liberal agenda of our newsmedia. I still cannot understand how ANYONE could even wonder if character matters. To this day I cannot stand to listen to those three so called newsmen because of their defense of the 'indefensible' actions that so characterized and still characterize the monstrous clinton machine.

78 posted on 09/09/2001 3:41:52 AM PDT by Republic
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To: Republic
"They (the pundits and so called major news media outlets) spent a LOT of the clinton reign of terror doing this in different ways-all the while tearing down our dream or hope of having respectable statesmen in our public arena. As if such a qualification, a qualification for public office that requires honor, dignity, respect, humbleness, and a general statesmanlike demeanor, was simply a unattainable dream. They were asking us to accept the sludge, instead. And accept it as a normal, as if we all live in such a clintonian realm of sociopathic relativism. They wanted us ALL to think, as you said, that we are all 'just like bill'. Horsehockey. "

You nailed it.

Does character matter? IMHO: To the liberal media the answer is simple. No. Only ideology matters

As to the 'lowering of the bar', you know I think it's really quite simple. They are using 'let he who is without sin, cast the first stone against us.'

Meaning, if we were properly grounded we would know when one should back off. For example, when someone has done wrong and repents then they confess the sin and agrees that was was done is wrong. Only God is the judge of a man's soul. Always. But we can look at behaviours and make judgements about what is right and wrong. Otherwise we could never condemn a murderer, eh?

We never had repentance with Clinton (& Condit for thatmatter) [at least that's how it looks from the cheap seats]. And admission of 'I have made mistakes' is enough pablum for the feel-gooders who don't want absolutes in their lives. Because of course we all have made mistakes... duh! But it is absolutely INSINCERE when the person making the so-called "confession" has no shame and to the point where they are still trying to do everything they can to stay in office. If they meant it then they would step down... pure and simple.

With regret comes shame (at least some measure of it). These men have no shame and thus do they have any sincere desire to repent???? You shall know them by their fruits.

79 posted on 09/09/2001 6:31:52 AM PDT by blue jeans
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To: blue jeans
And admission of 'I have made mistakes' is enough pablum for the feel-gooders who don't want absolutes in their lives.

Reminds me of the antics of that extortionist extraordinaire, ol Jessie Jackson. An apology is the blanket that makes the horror disappear (tho it festers underneath). Ya have to wonder why Jessie never refers to Martin Luther King's famous words from his 'I have a Dream' speech, the part of the dream that said he someday hoped people would be "...judged by the content of their character and NOT by the color of their skin". Ah.....the word JUDGEMENT appears here. But for liberals-to judge is akin to throwing the first stone, as you mentioned above, and it is evident that these vascillating worms want our society to refrain from ever making judgements. ( Unless, of course, such judgements involve actions taken by conservatives or Christains, etc.)

They are afraid of the absolutes which adherance almost always means making certain judgements. They do not WANT to be held to a higher standard, such a thought is repulsive to them because it would disallow their rampant desparaging of our culture, the coarsening and divisions they are working so hard to accomplish so that they can justify their heinous trend towards state control.

Allowing bill clinton to committ PERJURY while the President of the United States is proof. The constitution means nothing to them, unless it advances their agenda towards a full blown state run, cradle to grave, society. Bill Press said as much today on CSPAN.

80 posted on 09/09/2001 7:53:13 AM PDT by Republic
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