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Future Hinges on Hispanic Vote
INSIGHT magazine ^ | September 7, 2001 | Jamie Dettmer

Posted on 09/07/2001 11:16:11 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen

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To: roostercogburn
No other way to put it, the white folks around here do not want the farm work.

Maybe they would if their welfare check failed to arrive. Why can't this concept be understood by all the neo-conservatives here? We ALREADY HAVE a labor class, but we pay them NOT to work. And, we pay to import Mexican labor, who work very hard, send the majority of their tax-free wages back to Mexico (propping up THEIR economy), while their spouses and children ALSO collect on our social services.

So, we pay Americans not to work, we pay the families of Mexican workers not to work, the Mexican workers pay no taxes, and their income gets sent back to Mexico. Is that fair to the American taxpayer?

Full amnesty for all, no.

No, just for Mexicans.

But we need a solution to keep hard working willing people here.

We have potentially hard-working people here already. The reason they aren't currently working hard is because there is no incentive to work. They are receiving free taxpayer money to stay at home.

And working on solutions to help can only help to open the door just enough for our Spanish immigrants to peek at what the differences are between the 2 parties. I tell you what, if all of us here took the time to volunteer and talk to minorities on party politics, be a neighborly person, we could make some progress.

The GOP used to be the party of America, the Constitution, and against socialist handouts. Now, the GOP seems to be the Mexico-First Party.

P.S. One other thing , President Bush has spent his life in Texas. He has been around the latin heritage and culture quite a bit. He knows it. Hell,his nephews and nieces are 1/2 spanish. His brother is married to a mexican woman. His intentions may be very sincere and thoughtful.

You're right. They may be. And he also may be splintering the GOP into two factions that will keep the party out of office in the future.

Faction #1: Neo-Conservatives who support importing cheap labor from Mexico. (It's much easier than reforming welfare and strengthening our borders, that's for sure.) Plus, the idea of a North American Union to compete with the E.U. seems more important than American borders, language and culture.

Faction #2: Conservative Constitutionalists, who believe in sovereignty and borders. These poor "extremist" saps are still around. They wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

21 posted on 09/07/2001 1:51:10 PM PDT by SunStar
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To: VinnyTex
I think too many Republicans have become accustomed to thinking about Latin American immigration in the terms used by Florida and California conservatives over the last 30 years in reaction to their experiences with Cubans and Mexicans, respectively. The Texas perspective on Mexico in particular has always been different; they're not afraid of creeping bilingualism -- heck, the state's effectively bilingual at least from San Antonio south. Consider also Phil Gramm's views on NAFTA and Mexican trucks. If he were from California, he wouldn't be able to take those positions and continue to win Republican primaries.
22 posted on 09/07/2001 1:54:52 PM PDT by mdwakeup
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To: roostercogburn
"Why is it bad to go after hispanic votes?"

Are we planning to convince them that life, liberty, and the pursuit of hapiness is what its about? Are we going to teach them about individual rights? No, we are going promise them a higher standard of living and government provided social services. We are going to pander to them just enough to get their vote over the democrats.
24 posted on 09/07/2001 2:00:42 PM PDT by gjenkins
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To: mdwakeup
Gramm is 100 percent right on Mexican trade... Trying to cut off Mexico from the American market like Buchanan wants would only collapse their economy and send all 100 million mexicans north

What I have a problem with is our immigration policies in general... they're a disaster and all we're doing is importing poverty and the american taxpayer is the big loser.

26 posted on 09/07/2001 2:07:14 PM PDT by VinnyTex
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To: Fee
what will happen to them in the late 21st Century when they represent less than 50 percent of the population on a national level and even less in heavily immigrant settled states??

The same thing that is happening to whites in South Arfica & Zimbawe. It won't be pretty!

27 posted on 09/07/2001 2:14:07 PM PDT by SgtSki (n/a)
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To: bayourod
"RNC sources concede that they can’t find any specific opinion-poll bump in Latino support for Bush or the GOP as a result of the Vieques decision."

So Bush made a bad decision for purely political reasons, and then gets no political benefit from it. That is the entire point. Bush isn't going to get Democratic voters by taking a position contrary to his conservatism. You will NEVER outbid a Democrat.

Bush needs to come at it from the opposite direction, and seek to EDUCATE Hispanics and other potential Republicans that they too stand for life, lower taxes, and more freedom through less government, and that their families are better off that way.

Hispanics are overwhelmingly Catholic, the Catholic church is overwhelmingly pro-life, and yet Hispanics vote overwhelmingly pro-abortion. Solution? Do waves of photo ops, public statements and policy proposals with pro-life Catholic bishops, priests, and lay leaders, repeating over and over, "The Catholic Church has stood boldly for the unborn. They are a pro-life institution. I too am pro-life and will always defend the unborn. Its good for families and children."

With enough educations, Hispanics at large with eventually realize that their religion is pro-life, and that there families and children are better off in a pro-life culture. Eventually that will transfer to the ballot box.

The GOP did not win rural America by hawking every farm subsidy known to man. They did it by being culturally and fiscally conservative, and making rural dwellers understand that they were too.

Sorry for the long post, but its time the GOP took the bull by the horns and began to lead instead of trying to find how best to cater to non-GOP voters leftist sympathies.

28 posted on 09/07/2001 2:35:35 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
"the Vieques decision." So Bush made a bad decision for purely political reasons, and then gets no political benefit from it. "

I don't buy your assumption that President Bush's decision to withdraw from Vieques was made for the purpose of picking up Hispanic support.

As I understand the facts, Congress passed a bill last year allowing the citizens on Vieques to vote on whether we could stay. It was obvious that the vote was going to go against us. This would have been a tremendous anti-American publicity disaster. So instead of letting a couple thousand locals kick the American military off their island, President Bush prempted them by announcing that we would leave in a couple years.

Sort of like a person resigning from his job instead of being fired.

29 posted on 09/07/2001 3:04:45 PM PDT by bayourod
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To: bayourod
Perhaps you are right. I would certainly prefer it your way. Our military needed the post, however.

Any comment on the rest of the post?

30 posted on 09/07/2001 3:19:46 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: roostercogburn
Once someone opens their eyes to a new party, they tend to explore the philosophy a little.

Thats the point. A GOP that engages in ethnic pandering may suddenly become attractive to the group being pandered to (arguably) but it will turn off those of us who utterly despise and believe such tactics are poison to the nation as a whole.

31 posted on 09/07/2001 3:38:32 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: VinnyTex
Take a powder you clown... Green card means amnesty...

What green card?
At least three times on this thread you've written "dirt poor people"...
What do you have against poor people that want to work?
They pay taxes, are family oriented, religious and coming whether you like it or not.
They are already here. Fight or accept, it's in the numbers.

32 posted on 09/07/2001 10:14:48 PM PDT by PRND21
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