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On "Killing People and Breaking Things"
Self | Sep 12, 2001 | The Duke

Posted on 09/12/2001 4:28:49 AM PDT by The Duke

For several years now I've heard my fellow Americans (including good ol' Rush) coldly describe how our military "kills people and breaks things", an expression that carries an implicit callousness that fails to differentiate between civilians and military or, for that matter, men, women and children. It has become a virtual mantra adopted by the "kill 'em and let God sort them out" crowd as a means of celebrating our own supposedly tough (e.g. "sh&t happens") worldview.

Well, yesterday we saw firsthand that there are other folks out there, probably folks we've been "bombing to the stone age" for several years, who also "kill people and break things". Apparently we've found an enemy who speaks our own language!

If we are to be true to form - if we are to be consistent in our inhumanity - let us, having freshly taken a national punch in the nose, yield forth our young men and women as agents for our own vengence, and bid them follow such "glorious" leaders as Ted Kennedy, Maxine Waters and Barney Frank as they wrap themselves in the flag and valiently point the way (taking care not to actually *lead* the way), even as their "sponsors" sell us the tools of the trade!

We've been begging to get in on the mutual-murder game for years now, and it seems that finally a spot has been cleared for us at the table.


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SIDENOTE: It takes three days for the symptoms of Anthrax to make themselves known - perhaps the full extent of the hand we were dealt yesterday has yet to be realized(?)

It's cool to be tough, ain't it?

1 posted on 09/12/2001 4:28:49 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: The Duke
wuss.
2 posted on 09/12/2001 4:33:14 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: The Duke
No, it's not cool, it's tough to be tough. Ask any WWI soldier who went over the top of the trenches, any WWII pilot who flew into flak or any Vietnam vet who ever watched his lift choppers depart into the setting sun.

It's tough but you do it. You kill the enemy until they have lost their will to kill you.

It's not nice but it's real.

A coward dies a thousand death, the brave man but one.

3 posted on 09/12/2001 4:33:45 AM PDT by MindBender26
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To: The Duke
What do you propose? Let it go? Are you insane?
4 posted on 09/12/2001 4:35:21 AM PDT by riley1992
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Hint: Name calling and the mindless "ad homenum attack" are not exactly strong arguments.
5 posted on 09/12/2001 4:37:23 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: The Duke
Sorry - you're wrong. It's no secret which nations make a practice out of funding, equipping, training, and providing intelligence support to terrorist groups that routinely target Americans or U.S. targets here or abroad - Syria, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan.

Nuke em all - and let Allah sort it out. Those not involved in this particular incident have - by sponsoring such enemy groups - sponsored countless attacks on Americans in the past 20 years, so they are hardly "innocent."

As for their civilians, remember what Menachem Begin said. He said that civilians of dictatorships attacking Israel had a choice if they were too scared to overthrow their local dictators - either do it themselves, or face horrendous casualties when Israel did it for them.

6 posted on 09/12/2001 4:39:18 AM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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To: riley1992
What do you propose? Let it go? Are you insane?

No, I suggest we murder a whole bunch of people (does that make you feel better?), but that we not fool ourselves into thinking we're particularly virtuous. (After all, "character doesn't count", does it Peter Jennings?)

We'll probably end up coincidentally killing the tribe that stands between "Janie Shea's" bosses and some gold mine they're after. But that will be just a coincidence, won't it Jamie?

7 posted on 09/12/2001 4:48:07 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: The Duke
No, I suggest we murder a whole bunch of people (does that make you feel better?)

I would be lying if I were to say that a part of me doesn't revel in that thought. I can distinguish between military and civilian casualties and do not find glee in the death of civilians. However, in real life, there is generally no way to avoid it and if these citizens are backing whomever is responsible for what was done here, so be it. They can reap the consequences of their actions.

8 posted on 09/12/2001 5:10:10 AM PDT by riley1992
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To: The Duke
While the death of many "innocent victims" would be regrettable, it is, in fact, an insignificant part of the overall goal. I would not celebrate the death of millions but the death of the one who can be held responsible for the millions.
9 posted on 09/12/2001 5:14:33 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: The Duke
Personally I want the armed forces to be cold and impersonal. I want them to be experts at "killing people and breaking things". When the US Army marchs over a hill I want the enemy to see their own destruction and crap white. I want anybody that harms Americans to know that our responce will be sudden, violent and decisive. We are the king of the hill because we chose to be so, and no slack jawed, unwashed, religious fanatic, wanna be bushwacker will topple us. For the last 225 years every time America has been challanged we have stepped up to the plate and hit a home run. This will be no different Woe and and grief will befall the perpetrators of this cowardly act.
10 posted on 09/12/2001 5:23:17 AM PDT by Rob45and2 (Rob45and2@aol.com)
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To: The Duke
Reference Anthrax. Even militarized spoors would have a hard time surviving the fire to infect anyone. The Delivery systems for Bio agents use bursters that generate little heat, so as to not kill the bug as it's dispersed. I further don't think the hijackers had time or capability to disperse during the flyover.
11 posted on 09/12/2001 6:48:51 AM PDT by 5Madman2
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To: The Duke
Is the threat of violence against the enemy effective? Perhaps, violent exchange will only escalate his resolve. A catch 22.

What is the core conflict that led us to yesterday?

Does the West have in it the will to eradicate Islam from existence?

12 posted on 09/12/2001 7:09:49 AM PDT by Jack Barbara
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To: Rob45and2
"For the last 225 years every time America has been challanged we have stepped up to the plate and hit a home run."

I wish it were true. Have you heard of a place called Vietnam?

--Boris

13 posted on 09/12/2001 7:34:20 AM PDT by boris
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To: 5Madman2
"Even militarized spoors"

Tanker planes raining liquid waste?

--Boris

14 posted on 09/12/2001 7:35:48 AM PDT by boris
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To: The Duke
The Melian Dialogue
15 posted on 09/12/2001 7:45:22 AM PDT by Jack Barbara
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To: 5Madman2
Oh, I'm not suggesting that the perps we know had any such opportunity, but rather that there may be others yet.
16 posted on 09/12/2001 8:32:19 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: The Duke
Well if we're not gonna kill'em, what do you propose we do? Thank them for the lesson and send them home without dinner?
17 posted on 09/12/2001 8:38:12 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: The Duke
Your drivel is pathetic and disgraceful.

We weren’t looking for a fight. We weren’t itching to kill people and break things. But we find ourselves forced to respond, or we will certainly face such terror again.

My countrymen are dead. You may believe you are a citizen of the world, but the terrorist would differ. The dead suffered their fate because they were Americans.

We don’t have to find the guilty. They are all guilty. Wherever there are those that would do us harm, wherever there are those that would provide them comfort or aid, wherever there are those who celebrate the cowardly acts that kill the innocent in the name of their false “god”, there are no innocents. Only the guilty. And the guilty should, and will, be punished.

We will take no joy in it, nor pride, nor act find satisfaction in revenge. Instead, we will do what needs to be done. People will die. Things will be broken. Because it is just. Because it is right. Because we must. The dead deserve nothing less.

We are at war. Not with a place. Not with a people. We are at war with an ideology. As long as that ideology exists, so do our enemies. Terrorist throughout the world should realize that today America has finally recognized the war they have been pursuing against us. The battle has been joined. We have been awakened by the blood of our countrymen.

And ideal forged with blood must at times be defended with blood.

The world now realizes that we have a cancer that can no longer be ignored. It is time it was removed. Removed violently… removed brutally… removed completely… so that no one who survives believes for even a moment that this disease will ever be tolerated again.

People will most assuredly die. Thinks will definitely be broken. And in the process, we may finally heal that which has plagued us for far too long.

18 posted on 09/12/2001 9:18:16 PM PDT by bootyist-monk
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