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A Letter to My Fellow FReepers
self | Thursday, September 13, 2001 | Kristinn

Posted on 09/13/2001 11:54:38 PM PDT by kristinn

Recently, some well known posters on FR have stated that criticism of the Bush administration is treasonous and cause for those critics to be arrested under martial law. Those comments have been cheered by dozens of other active FReepers.

I am watching Free Republic turn into a totalitarian groupthink of the kind that the left used to unjustly smear us with when we criticized the Clinton administration.

Good people like Alan Keyes and Larry Klayman who stood tall and faithful with FR for years, and posters who supported them, have been crucified as heretics and run out of the FR family for daring to criticize the Bush administration.

The forum is now dominated by vicious Bush supporters with an 'Us versus Them' mentality against fellow conservatives. The desire to root out government corruption and advance conservative causes has been replaced with a bloodlust and blacklisting for those who don't worship the Bush administration like they do. This situation has been going on for awhile, but it has gotten out of hand with this week's terrorist attacks.

Now, with regards to the present situation, I'd like to pose some questions: Why were all passenger flights grounded for almost three days since the attacks so that new security procedures could be put in place? If our air traffic safety was so secure before, why is there a perceived problem now ? Could it be that it wasn't really that safe ?

Where were our intelligence services ? Why did we have Clinton holdover DCI, George Tenent, doing the work of the Secretary of State in the Middle East instead of cleaning up the wreckage of the past eight years ?

How is it that foreign terrorists can go to flight school in the U.S., plot and carry out a complicated, coordinated massive assault involving several dozen conspirators against two vital American facilities without being detected ?

How is it that four hijacked planes flew unmolested and unchallenged by neither our air traffic control system or our military ?

We have experienced a massive failure of our almighty-two-trillion-dollar-peacekeeper-of-everywhere-but-home-bipartisan-protection-racket-federal government.

Thousands upon thousands of our fellow citizens are dead because of this failure to detect or intercept these heinous terrorist acts during either the months before or the hours of their execution.

The federal government lulled us into thinking that those silly questions (is this your luggage ?) and an ID check at the gate made flying safe. All the while there were gaping holes in our defenses.

They let us down.

The purpose; the job; the responsibility of the federal government is set forth in the preamble to the Constitution:

WE THE PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The eight corrupt years of President Clinton accompanied by four corrupt, compromised Congresses followed by nine months of a Bush administration that chose to sweep the rot of those years under the rug rather than clean it up has cost us dearly.

For those who say nine months is too short to change things in the government, remember this was the return of the grown-ups to Washington; this was the return of wise, experienced old hands such as Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, John Ashcroft and former President Bush; this was the era of the rising stars like Condi Rice, Karl Rove, and Karen Hughes. They chose to 'move on', not clean up.

In the aftermath of the attacks, it appears that the Executive and Legislative branches of our constitutional republic are finally bearing their responsibilties as they should. Except that while they call this attack an act of war, they are refusing to actually declare war.

The terrorists and those who aided and abetted them bear full responsibilty for the deaths and destruction and should pay with their lives and their cities.

But the federal government bears responsibility for leaving this nation and its citizens so vulnerable. Saying that is not treasonous--it is said out of patriotism and borne of a love of this Great Nation and a desire to see it survive.

One of Free Republic's greatest strengths has been the freedom to ask the hard questions of our government. It would be a crime to lose this freedom to any mob of posters, especially in this time of crisis.

I support President Bush, but I reserve the right to criticize him without my patriotism being called into doubt.


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To: wirestripper
I agree with the first two pharagraphs....after that I loose you because you appear to be placing blame on a free and open country for not having enough security.

Truth. I agree. There is also an implication that somehow Bush is the bad guy here, and I'm sorry, that is not fair, and it is CERTAINLY the wrong time for such an unfair recrimination.

41 posted on 09/14/2001 2:27:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: CWOJackson, kristinn
"Tempted though some may be to glean talking points from the tragedy, this is no time for sermonizing about failed intelligence or soured imperialism. This is a season for a heartsick nation to mourn our fallen and commend our heroes. Details will surface soon enough, but they won't fill empty chairs at dinner tables. Buildings can be reconstructed; broken families cannot." -- Pat Buchanan.

Pat Buchanan surprises me on occasion. I am amazed by how well this commentary fits this thread.

Kristinn, you mention Pat Buchanan. Please, good sir, learn from the very man you cite.

42 posted on 09/14/2001 2:29:39 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
That's not true. And they're working around the clock right now to find out who's responsible. How about putting the old grudges on hold for a while, and showing the support they deserve?

Deal.

The BATF is the most cowboy-ish, unprofessional, problem-ridden organization in the United States. The FBI has its share of foulups and coverups. The DEA enforces laws that merely serve to strip us of our BoR. The CIA has so many failures it has been called "Comedy In Action".

However, right now, I salute them. I am proud of them all. I wish them much success in this investigation. They are my fellow Americans and they are our only line of defense.

43 posted on 09/14/2001 2:33:21 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Brad's Gramma
"....we're at war...."

With whom?

44 posted on 09/14/2001 2:33:56 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Rome2000
Thanks for the link to the list of the missing. I'm originally from Long Island...looks like one of my former classmates is among the missing...my Mom is friends with his mother-in-law, I'll have to call her in the morning. This whole damn thing is just so unbelieveable.
45 posted on 09/14/2001 2:34:16 AM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: kristinn
I don't agree. The rhetoric on FR is Bush-trashing not disagreements in policy or suggestions. It is the rhetoric of "I" - I want, I won't support, I won't. It is negativism in the highest degree. It is also the art of belittling and ridicule.

What does this do? During wartime, it aids and abets the enemy. It weakens your President as he and his family are the target of terrorists, ridiculed by the press and surrounded by opponents trying to set traps for him.

Who is to support the President? Why would you send your leader out to fight all enemies, even those behind his back, all alone? When you encourage support of your troops, why would you not want encouragement for the Commander-in-Chief? What would happen to a soldier if he was treated as the President is treated?

I have been so disappointed on what I have seen from you conservatives. Where are the constructive criticisms, the respectful differing points of view, the suggestions? I see none of this - I see people unhappy with government as government is today. They will never have a government that they like because you can't evolve backward in time. They then take it out on the man who is in power doing their best to prevent him being an effective president. I see armchair quarterbacks second-guessing every move knowing only a fraction of the total picture, I see complainers and whiners trying to gain respect by attacking their president.

If you expect us to take the criticisms, then make them criticisms handled in a respectful way. Quit the Bush-bashing because you don't have the Hollywood president who is all things to all people at all times. You have one man as president and he can do no more than one man. A pity you didn't get your perfect candidate but that is life. You have to play the cards dealt you.

46 posted on 09/14/2001 2:35:00 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: Lazamataz
I posted the whole commentary (post #12); it's an excellent read. The only response was: "Your view is a Cancer. A Cancer that will bring us a police state. It is very very narrow minded and dangerous."

I recommend Pat's whole commentary...cancerous as it is.

47 posted on 09/14/2001 2:35:20 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Lazamataz
"Your freeping of the White House has been admirable, but that does not give you a pass to be unfair, and this tasteless".

Too many are extremely reactive...Larry Klayman and Alan Keyes for example, have not produced anything but a bunch of empty talk..Sure it sounds good, but what good have they really done? If we do not stay united we surely will fall.

49 posted on 09/14/2001 2:45:07 AM PDT by hope
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To: hope
Too many are extremely reactive...Larry Klayman and Alan Keyes for example, have not produced anything but a bunch of empty talk..Sure it sounds good, but what good have they really done? If we do not stay united we surely will fall.

What have any of us done, but empty talk? It's okay for them -- and us -- to express ourselves, since we are largely helpless. Sure, we've given blood and our paltry sums of money and so on, but there's nothing else to do BUT talk.

50 posted on 09/14/2001 2:48:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Kaptain Kanada
Whew! Hats off to Kaptain Kanada for airing the dirty laundry of our nation's so-called "intelligence" communities. All of FReeperdom: look and learn! That's what the Goddess of Liberty said to General George Washington in his darkest hour at Valley Forge, "Son of the Republic, look and learn."
51 posted on 09/14/2001 2:49:49 AM PDT by BrucefromMtVernon
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To: Hannibal Heyes
Absolutely wrong. ATC knew there was a problem when these planes were 5 minutes off their flightplan. They continued on for another 20 minutes. How and why?

Actually, on one account I read, apparantly fighter jets were scrambled from a nearby base, but arrived in the region too late.

52 posted on 09/14/2001 2:50:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: kristinn
I am watching Free Republic turn into a totalitarian groupthink...

JimRob himself says this site was intended for like-minded people. He congratulated Bush on the victory. I would expect some fair-mindedness regarding his performance. Some don't possess that, showing the worst attributes of liberals.

53 posted on 09/14/2001 2:55:36 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: kristinn
Here's an exerpt from his wrods by the way.

Believe it or not, Free Republic was not established as an "anything goes" free speech forum, or as a liberal debating society. This forum was established as a working forum for like-minded lovers of individual rights to work toward preserving a concept near and dear to our hearts. Freedom.

1 Posted on 05/09/2001 17:30:14 PDT by Jim Robinson.

54 posted on 09/14/2001 2:59:27 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: kristinn
Why were all passenger flights grounded for almost three days since the attacks so that new security procedures could be put in place?

Obviously, it was not as safe to fly as we assumed.

If our air traffic safety was so secure before, why is there a perceived problem now ?

Um, probably because there was a group of insane whack jobs that flew into the WTC, Pentagon, and who know where else if they didn't crash.

Could it be that it wasn't really that safe ?

Perceptive.

I was supposed to fly to LOGAN airport the night this happened. You think I wanted to get on plane? How many bomb threats were logged after these events? How many buildings were shut down and evacuated. After an event like this, its probably safer to err on the side of caution until there are mechanisms in place to try and prevent John Q. Terrorist from boarding our domestic flights and killing thousands more. People have long been saying that airport security is lax. Seems like it is a good time to start fixing the holes, especially since no one knew if there were more whackos interested in meeting their maker via a flying fireball.

I have been more than happy to criticize the Bush administration and its KoolAid drinking cheerleaders who blindly support what I perceive to be anti conservative ideas. But I think it is a stretch to blame this on Bush jr. Our intelligence agencies have been neutered by Clinton mostly. Our security has been rendered inefficient by Politically Correct rhetoric that makes any "questioning" the target of claims of racisms, sexism, xenophobia...etc.

These problems are the result of extended corruption. Make sure you blame the right people.

55 posted on 09/14/2001 3:00:31 AM PDT by diotima
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To: CWOJackson,Revel
The only response was: "Your view is a Cancer. A Cancer that will bring us a police state. It is very very narrow minded and dangerous."

You must have inadvertently skipped over the excellent comments at #28.

56 posted on 09/14/2001 3:03:39 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Lazamataz
"but there's nothing else to do BUT talk".

Well, what ever makes you feel good. But the red letters above the reply box makes alot of sense. A little wisdom before shooting off doesn't hurt either and that is why so many here see people like Klayman and Keyes as useless idiots.

57 posted on 09/14/2001 3:13:03 AM PDT by hope
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To: kristinn
I can't find anything in your essay to disagree with. I've been called a traitor myself for criticising Bush.
58 posted on 09/14/2001 3:24:18 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: wirestripper
>>after that I loose you because you appear to be placing blame on a free and open country for not having enough security.<<

I didn't/don't see it that way in relation to airport "security". The fact is we never had any at all. What we had was political pablum to convince the non-thinking people that gooberment was "doing something". All this "something" amounted to was insuring traveling was a supreme pain in the ass for innocent civilians. It obviously did nothing at all to deter any terrorists. Name ONE terrorist who was ever stopped or arrested because of the metal detectors,the lack of lockers in waiting rooms,or a minimum wage security guard. Now they are going to ban pocket knives and prohibit people from loading luggage at curbside. Just more BS and pablum to convince people they are "doing something".

OOOPS! There is ONE exception to this. The gooberment DID manage to totally eliminate smoking on aircraft,even going so far as to put smoke alarms in the toilets. At least they protected us all from the "dangers of second hand smoke",huh?

59 posted on 09/14/2001 3:32:27 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: rebelsoldier
>>If Gore were President, I'd be behind him 100%. <<

I wouldn't. He'd be bombing a sheep ranch in New Zealand. The man was/is a total bleeping idiot.

60 posted on 09/14/2001 3:37:57 AM PDT by sneakypete
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