Posted on 09/17/2001 11:55:01 PM PDT by kattracks
Edited on 07/12/2004 3:47:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
U.S. intelligence officials are investigating ties between the terrorists who carried out suicide airliner attacks and associates of Osama bin Laden based in Albania.
The connections were described as support for the terrorist operation to hijack U.S. commercial jetliners and crash them into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, according to U.S. intelligence officials.
(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...
Doubts about what? That civilians were killed in Bosnia? That their houses were burnt? That entire villages were burnt down? That women were raped? That some civilians were not only killed but massacred by paramilitary forces (Mladic, Karadzic,Arkan) You have doubts about that? That all that happened is a fact, that even many Serbs do not deny. Because they were documented, photographed, filmed, with numerous eye-witness reports and testimonies of women being raped.
Or are you telling me that it’s all a lie, that all those people lie, that the video footage and photos of those crimes lie as well, that all the evidence is fake and that it’s all an illusion?
What do you actually want to tell me? That I should unconditionally accept all the claims of crimes against Serbs (in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo) which happened and are a fact that I do not deny, justify, while on the other hand I should doubt, question, deny or ignore the claims of the crimes that Serb forces comitted against others? And why should I do that?
If links were luminous I have enough totted up to light California. You on the other hand, are in the dark in every way (including your inference that everyone against what Nato did to Yugoslavia is a Serb 'agitprop' or nationalist!?!). The only link that I have ever seen you provide was to the Nato website.
The figure of 1,500 came from a BBC documentary quoting the UN (which they would) around about the time that a secondary exit route was needed through Serbia for Nato troops (fairly recently). If you don't believe me, then you'll just have to wait until it all comes out at international level within the year.
HRW is just an extension of the State Dept - everyone knows that.
As for your assertion about saving hundreds of thousands - from what?? There was no mass movement of people from that region until after the bombing started, as Veronin has pointed out, and even when the trail of refugees started they were not summarily shot or murdered but just driven out of the country.
I am not supporting this, but just as Nato threatened Milosevic (earlier described by the US as a 'man we can do business with'); Milosevic retaliated with the threat of a mass movement of people which would cause Nato and the UN immense problems. These people were not going to death camps, but just being dumped out of the country. For such a cold-headed military person, I would have thought that you would accept this playing chess with people. That's exactly what you do.
Just driven out?!? So ethnic cleansing is not a big problem for you Kate? And many were killed as well Kate, not "just" driven from their homes. Really Kate, I expected better from you, not these justifications and excuses. Because then you'r exactly that what you accuse Hoplite of.
There was the Muslim girl who birthed a child by a black Frenchman, but who had claimed before the child was born that the baby was fathered by Serbs. This eyewitness was lieing and western press spread and featured that lie. Too bad for their collusive effort, perhaps, that the child had too much melanin. Maybe then they could have carried on their lies and deceptions and people like you would have called lies "proof".
Much sympathy for Muslims was garned - and condemnation of the Serbs - by film of an emaciated man said to be a Muslim in a Serb concentration camp. Yet, it was a Serb man, suffering from TB, being kept by Muslims in a camp. Proper amends and proportional efforts at coming clean on this were never made by the west. So, even today the west is guilty of years of deception on this "proof".
There were the British journalists who themselves filmed behind wire fencing in yet another phony "proof" of a Serb concentration camp. Again a lie, a deception.
There was the featured story of Rajmonda, an 18-year-old Albanian who joined the KLA, who claimed that her sister was killed by Serbs. Yet the Canadian journalist finally decided to check up on the story and found the sister alive, unscathed. I guess you would call Rajmonda an "eyewitness" and the story, before facts were ascertained, as "proof".
Even your Slovenia has figured in in deceptive "proof" photograhpy:
"Time magazine provided similar coverage. The firing soldier in its cover photo of 'Serb murders wounded man' in Brcko wears a uniform unlike any worn by Bosnian or Serb forces; the architecture is foreign to Brcko; and a sign (Donn Zela) identifies the location as Slovenian. In fact, the picture was taken by a Reuters photographer in early May 1992! (Time, 17 May 1993)"
Well, everytime you've left Slovenia, that you weren't driving yourself, you were either "driven out" or flown or shipped out.
The Albanians hailed taxis, airconditioned buses, and trains. They were told by clan leaders and the KLA to leave. Those who stayed were often abused when those Albanians and NATO entered the province after the bombing.
They were accused of being traitors and the like because they didn't leave like the others.
And remember, scores, at least, of Albanians who tried to come back during the NATO bombing were bombed and straffed.
Serbs have not be caught in lies where they have claimed one of them was killed, yet such a person was actually alive; a case where Serb women claimed to have been raped, but it was shown to be lies/gross exaggerations.
Serbs provide detailed evidence - names of victims, dates, places, and autopsy reports, which the Muslims generally fall short of.
Because of lies and the the severe anti-Serb bias of major media outlets, what is really needed are competent, neutral investigators for reports where the whole story is sought and presented and is not allowed to be repressed by the west.
I see, so Serb forces had nothing to do with them being driven from their homes. Albanians themselves wanted to ethically clean Kosovo of Albanians, right? Yes, I thought so. I don't know whether to laugh or cry when listening to your excuses and justifications.
Just what where those paramilitary forces doing in Kosovo. (and Bosnia and Croatia for that matter) when there was already YA forces. Peacekeeping? Or doing the dirty job? You figure it out Joan, as I can only be amazed everytime I hear people defending the policy of Milosevic here on FR. Ah well...
Didn't the YA forces pull out of Bosnia and Croatia very early in the wars, and citizen Serbs of these places were left to defend themselves among those bent on wiping them off the map there?
Do you know when YA left Croatia and Bosnia?
Then, were those Serbs roasted and beheaded civilians left defenseless as their Serbian forces only went after civilians of other ethnicities?
According to you the Serbs never acted in self-defense, so it was pure civilians that were attacked by the opposing forces? So each sides armed forces went after civilians only, are you saying? Every time the Bosnians and Croats and Mujahedeen attacked they went after Serbian women, children, old people, handicapped, etc.
You must be kidding? Any reliable sources please.
BTW, do you know the name of person who commanded certain infamous Riga OMON actions? Yesterday I heard a name of today famous Islamic freedom fighter, than OMON officer. May be as a Balto_Boy, you have it in your files?
Tune in tomorrow for more hearsay, rumour and disinformation.
You mean 100,000 missing military age Albanian men, raped on the Pristina stadium and burned at lead smelters, don't you?
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