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After 50 Years, Was McCarthy Right?
http://www.findarticles.com/m1571/9_16/60270502/p1/article.jhtml ^ | March 6, 2000 | John Elvin

Posted on 09/22/2001 7:41:30 AM PDT by Stallone

After 50 years, Was McCarthy Right?

Folk wisdom abounds with advice in various forms reminding us to judge the content and not the container. This advice might be appropriate with regard to Sen. Joseph McCarthy.

His enemies nearly have ceased to argue against the validity of his message in the face of evidence that has emerged during the last decade confirming his message of communist influence and infiltration in the government and culture during the early days of the Cold War.

Why bring this up now? In conjunction with an event the world little noted McCarthy's speech to a Republican women's fund-raiser in Wheeling, W. Va., half a century ago. It was there that the senator from Wisconsin waved a document and proclaimed, "I have here in my hand a list of 205 [State Department employees] that were known to the secretary of state as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping the policy of the State Department."

The Associated Press surveyed some of Wheeling's influential citizens to see if they would be celebrating the anniversary of McCarthy's first mention of what was to become the "Red Scare." Most of those contacted were only too happy to let the event slide by with a minimum of fanfare.

But AP did locate Douglas McKay, who was in the audience when McCarthy spoke. McKay thought the resultant crusade was a good thing because it forced its targets "to defend themselves rather than advance their socialist ideas."

If that is so, and the society and government we have today reflect only the aborted version of those ideas, then conservatives might want to doff their bonnets in a salute to ol' Tailgunner Joe. Things could be worse.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial
KEYWORDS: communism; mccarthy; senate; senator; senatormccarthy; socialism
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Same game...new name...Islamic Fundamentalism.

The enemy within.

1 posted on 09/22/2001 7:41:30 AM PDT by Stallone
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To: Stallone
Yes, McCarthy was right. Now round 'em up, ship 'em out and be done with 'em. We have given strangers the benefit of the doubt too long and have been taken advantage of in a most shameless fashion.
2 posted on 09/22/2001 7:44:58 AM PDT by Temple Drake
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To: Stallone
It's something to think about, isn't it? BUMP
3 posted on 09/22/2001 7:49:18 AM PDT by Anamensis
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To: Temple Drake
While Yeltsin may not have been our good buddy, one of his most admirable acts was the release of cold war paper work which basically exhonerated McCarthy...Likewise the Venona Files, released by U.S. intelligence did the same, proving that U.S. Intel knew of the infection, but gave McCarthy no back up...
4 posted on 09/22/2001 7:49:19 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Joe 6-pack
"Likewise the Venona Files, released by U.S. intelligence did the same, proving that U.S. Intel knew of the infection, but gave McCarthy no back up..."

You are 100% correct.

5 posted on 09/22/2001 7:53:15 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
My daughter and I were just talking about the McCarthy trials yesterday, and saying how right he may have been..
6 posted on 09/22/2001 7:57:45 AM PDT by grannie9
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To: Stallone
McCarthy was right in many ways.
7 posted on 09/22/2001 7:59:34 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Stallone
I wish he were alive today. We need a slogan for Liberals and anti-Americans living here, "If you are not for America, Amercia is not for you, move on", time for alot of people to move on.
8 posted on 09/22/2001 8:01:12 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: grannie9
"...and saying how right he may have been.."

Read the book, "Venona Files." You'll be convinced. Apparently Robert Oppenheimer (Father of the atomic bomb) was less than patriotic, maybe even a spy.

9 posted on 09/22/2001 8:01:20 AM PDT by blam
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To: Joe 6-pack, grannie9
Sen. Joseph McCarthy *was* right. American History magazine did a wonderful 2 part article on this fine American. Later this year we'll be studying the cold war...you can well imagine I plan to use this subject matter in our studies. Truth in education. :o)
11 posted on 09/22/2001 8:04:54 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: Stallone
Right about what? Right to "force [his] targets `to defend themselves' rather than advance their socialist ideas"? I think our side has better arguments, so I don't fear people having the freedom to advance other ideas. And I'm not willing to give the State power to regulate what counts as "politically correct" speech -- using State power to harrass and censure the expression of views the State finds distasteful, misguided, or inappropriate. We know where that path leads.
12 posted on 09/22/2001 9:13:06 AM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Stallone
Everybody now knows that McCarthy was ABSOLUTLY right. Unfortunatly he did not have the personality and strength to withstand the Communist inspired assault. He cracked under the intense attacks, and finally broke down, which would have happened to most individuals so ruthlessly and relentlessly targeted by the Communist Party and its many sympathizers among the power elite of the time.
13 posted on 09/22/2001 9:20:30 AM PDT by imperator2
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To: Stallone
He was absolutely correct. The left hates this man. He exposed them. They still won, but they just can't forgive him. He was a great American.
14 posted on 09/22/2001 9:37:38 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Stallone
YES

next question

15 posted on 09/22/2001 10:16:02 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo
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To: Stallone
The conclusion of a panel of ex-socialist and liberal historians last spring was that the charges which McCarthy brought were all substantially true. One should remember that Sen. McCarthy was not involved in the House Committee on Un-American acticities.
16 posted on 09/22/2001 10:27:34 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Stallone
McCarthy was wrong - dead drunk wrong - and anyone who thinks otherwise is an anti-constitutional dellusionist.

I don't mean to say we did not have communist sympathizers in positions of the U.S. government - and it would have been well to focus on them. But the unconstitutional tactics against everyone who fell into one of his hate-groups was anathema to the Constitution. It was a period of great fear for everyone - and a lot of WWII war heroes and dedicated patriots were terrified to do anything that might arouse suspicions. Anything.

For instance - my father - a decorated combat pilot and otherwise biggoted conservative was terrified that he would be caught with his copy of Das Kapital. Furthermore, he had actually spent time in Prague after the war when it was behind the iron curtain. Reading Das Kampf did not make him a Nazi and reading Karl Marx was not going to make him a communist, but these were distinctions too subtle for Herr McCarthy and his brown-shirts.

I presume your point in this is to have a new congressional committee on unAmerican activities to berate liberals, muslims and anyone else you don't like.

If you have finished spraying your noxious venom around please crawl back into your hole.

17 posted on 09/23/2001 7:12:49 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
McCarthy was wrong. Perhaps even, his trials created more of the monster we see in hollywood that we see now.
18 posted on 09/23/2001 7:16:00 AM PDT by nancetc
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To: nancetc
And America will perish, your way.
19 posted on 09/23/2001 7:00:03 PM PDT by Stallone
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To: Stallone
No America and our Constitution would perish McCarthy's way.
20 posted on 09/24/2001 2:53:40 PM PDT by nancetc
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To: blam
Where can I find this book, Venona Files? It's not in our library and Amazon has no record of it.
21 posted on 09/24/2001 3:01:27 PM PDT by Anamensis
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To: Stallone
Article posted is 100% wrong. It was our fanatical fear of communism that caused us to create Bin Laden and his kind.
22 posted on 09/24/2001 3:08:10 PM PDT by sakic
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To: nancetc
Defending the rights of honest citizens while protecting them from terrorists.

These objectives are not mutually-exclusive.

The P-C left-wing proponents have swung the pendulum too far - and right-wingers will correct it, and one day may overreach.

So it goes.

What is certain is it's our turn now...

23 posted on 09/24/2001 3:12:08 PM PDT by Stallone
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To: AndyJackson
But the unconstitutional tactics against everyone who fell into one of his hate-groups was anathema to the Constitution. It was a period of great fear for everyone - and a lot of WWII war heroes and dedicated patriots were terrified to do anything that might arouse suspicions. Anything.

WOW! Exactly what unconstitutional tactics were used and against whom?

McCarthy did not 'single out' any group unless you consider individuals who work for the US government and had access to classfied information to be a 'group." Of the 'names named' by McCarthy, he was proven to be 100% correct. Every one was giving secret information and assisting Joseph Stalin, the greatest mass murder in history. Are they an oppressed minority that needs protected?

24 posted on 09/24/2001 3:22:42 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: sakic
It was our fanatical fear of communism that caused us to create Bin Laden and his kind.

BS. Bin Laden whould be who he is and doing what he is doing if communiusm had never existed. It's a fight that predates Karl Marx by 600 years.

25 posted on 09/24/2001 3:25:02 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Stallone
Joe's one of my heroes, as you can see in this old song from my YAF days, to the tune of "The Yellow Rose of Texas" (No, I didn't write it, but I wish I had.):

Oh, Fighting Joe McCarthy,
We're one and all for you.
You got the dirty commies
And you'll get the pinkos too.
Oh, Fighting Joe McCarthy,
We're one and all for you.
Our flag you'll wave,
Our land you'll save,
The dear red, white, and blue.

Now Fighting Joe McCarthy
Has gone to his reward.
And now he's up in Heaven
Fighting Commies for the Lord.
Oh, Fighting Joe McCarthy,
We're one and all for you.
Our flag you'll wave,
Our land you'll save,
The dear red, white, and blue.

26 posted on 09/24/2001 3:30:00 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Stallone
Joe's one of my heroes, as you can see in this old song from my YAF days, to the tune of "The Yellow Rose of Texas" (No, I didn't write it, but I wish I had.):

Oh, Fighting Joe McCarthy,
We're one and all for you.
You got the dirty commies
And you'll get the pinkos too.
Oh, Fighting Joe McCarthy,
We're one and all for you.
Our land you'll save,
Our flag you'll wave,
The dear red, white, and blue.

Now Fighting Joe McCarthy
Has gone to his reward.
And now he's up in Heaven
Fighting Commies for the Lord.
Oh, Fighting Joe McCarthy,
We're one and all for you.
Our land you'll save,
Our flag you'll wave,
The dear red, white, and blue.

27 posted on 09/24/2001 3:30:34 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Stallone
We know now that Whittaker Chambers was right.
28 posted on 09/24/2001 3:36:15 PM PDT by WalterSkinner
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To: Stallone
The reason for these increasingly regular and violent attacks was Islamic fundamentalist terrorism. These extreme groups (condemned by most peaceful Muslims) want to force America out of the Middle East and drive Israel into the sea. But where did they come from and how are they linked?

It was the overthrow of the shah of Iran by a radical Muslim movement in 1979 that set fundamentalist Islam on a collision course with America. The new government led by Ayatollah Khomeini determined to humiliate the "Great Satan", as they dubbed America; one of its first actions was to seize dozens of hostages in the American embassy in Tehran and hold them captive for almost a year.

THANK YOU JIMMY CARTER

29 posted on 09/24/2001 3:37:13 PM PDT by freedomnews
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To: sakic
#22 YES YES YES! McCarthyism brought this on us. Had to overthrow the Evil Empire at ALL costs. Who cares about that goat herder Osama? He's going to be our good buddy. Yup, like Marcos, and our pal in Panama.
30 posted on 09/24/2001 3:43:35 PM PDT by frodolives
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To: Stallone
IMHO McCarthy was a convenient "out" for a number of people who might have fared worse had HUAC been able to proceed in a less bombastic, wildly accusatory manner and the Senate not butted in. He hijacked the former proceedings from that young feller whatsisname Nixon who was doing just fine until Tailgunner Joe thought the adults could do a better job.

Was he correct in that the State Department and other federal agencies had been penetrated by geniune Communists? Yes, and the evidence to back that up is coming out in reams from their former paymasters in the Soviet Union.

31 posted on 09/24/2001 4:03:58 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Stallone
I worked the night shift at a DC government agency during the McCarthy hearings. I watched them during the day and would later read in the newspapers a warped, different version of what I had seen . This was my introduction to the power of the news media to slant reportage in whatever direction they desired. Later, the campaign against Barry Goldwater was so filled with lies which the media repeated that it solidified my position as a conservative. Thanks to Joe McCarthy, I only have to skip read a small portion of any publication to determine the drift. The other media avenues are also easy to spot. Senator McCarthy may have rubbed some of his political contemporaries the wrong way, but he was right and they were cowards.
32 posted on 09/24/2001 4:06:04 PM PDT by mountainfolk
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To: Stallone
Tailgunner Joe--Patriot Whistleblower or Right-Wing Witch-hunter?
33 posted on 09/24/2001 4:10:20 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
A great read - Communists had infiltrated government, and the course of history without him would have been different, Comrade.

Thanks!

34 posted on 09/24/2001 4:24:47 PM PDT by Stallone
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To: Anamensis
I don't have any references to any book with exactly that title (Venona Files), but the following may be useful:

Benson, Roger Louis, and Warner, Michael (eds.), VENONA: Soviet Espionage and the American Response, 1939-1957 (Washington, DC: National Security Agency/CIA, 1996)

West, Nigel, Venona: The Greatest Secret of the Cold War (London, HarperCollins, 1999)

Andrew, Christopher, and Mitrokhin, Vasili, The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB (NY, Basic Books, 1999)

The last book, incidentally, mentions McCarthy only on a couple of pages and takes the view that "McCarthy ultimately did more for the Soviet cause than any agent of influence the KGB ever had."

For Whittaker Chambers' disillusionment with McCarthy, see Arthur Herman, Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator (NY, The Free Press, 2000), and
Sam Tanenhaus, Whittaker Chambers: A Biography (NY, Random House, 1997)

35 posted on 09/24/2001 4:43:39 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Stallone

Yes, he was.

The Venona Project


36 posted on 09/24/2001 4:46:16 PM PDT by rvoitier
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To: Stallone
GTBOS ( glad to be of service )- if you ever see a copy ( in a yard sale, old book store- it's OLD- 1954 ) of "Praised and Damned- the story of Fulton Lewis, Jr.," by Booton Herndon, pick it up if it's cheap.

It's a 147 page book that names a lot of names from that era you may have heard of. The McCarthy episode rates a small chapter, but there's lots of double-dealing exposed from that time.

37 posted on 09/24/2001 4:58:57 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Anamensis
"Where can I find this book, Venona Files? It's not in our library and Amazon has no record of it."

Excuse me. The FBI called them the Venona Files. The books about this subject are: Venona and Venona Secrets. They can be found new and used at www.bookfinder.com, I read Venona, good reading.

38 posted on 09/24/2001 5:00:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: rvoitier
The communists and their willing supporters are still spinning. Hitler is long gone but the anti-Americans are still around smearing McCarthy. All those for America first are demonized by these anti-Americans.
39 posted on 09/24/2001 5:01:33 PM PDT by ex-snook
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To: Stallone
Of course he was. Look who destroyed him.
40 posted on 09/24/2001 5:01:58 PM PDT by Jimhimself
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To: sakic
Article posted is 100% wrong. It was our fanatical fear of communism that caused us to create Bin Laden and his kind.

LOL. Whatever you say Joe, whatever you say.

41 posted on 09/24/2001 5:03:41 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: Stallone
Others who were right all along: Barry Goldwater & J. Edgar Hoover. The only thing that worries me is that I'm beginning to wonder if Pat Buchanan was right!
42 posted on 09/24/2001 5:23:35 PM PDT by lds23
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To: Verginius Rufus, blam
Thanks for the Venona refs, fellas!
43 posted on 09/24/2001 8:03:31 PM PDT by Anamensis
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To: sakic
I don't think the fear of communism is irrational, though. Let's face it, if a capitalist superpower and a communist superpower are competing in a world market, the communist one will lose: it can't afford to pay its workers as little as the capitalists can, and therefore can't offer goods as cheap unless the entire economy is running at a rather low level. (What's the standard of living in China, for example?) So they are natural enemies.

I'm seeing an attitude that I'm mentally labeling "the assumption of stasis" which suggests that people think that if communism, or socialism, or Islam, or whatever, is simply left alone and not meddled with by proponents of capitalism, or democracy, or whatever, it'll stay self-contained and be a good neighbor, and any negative effects come from the interference in its stasis. But I'm with Frost: Good fences make good neighbors.

44 posted on 09/24/2001 8:09:51 PM PDT by Anamensis
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To: sakic
"It was our fanatical fear of communism ......." Fanatical????? Methinks you jest. I would suggest you think about the millions that were killed, starved, and imprisoned in Ukraine, China, and all over the Soviet Union.
45 posted on 09/24/2001 8:14:07 PM PDT by Liberty
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To: Ditto
Bin Laden whould be who he is and doing what he is doing if communiusm had never existed.

We would never have even heard of Bin Laden if we hadn't trained and financed him to defeat our communist enemy.

46 posted on 09/24/2001 9:03:35 PM PDT by sakic
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To: Anamensis
Fear of communism isn't irrational. We just committed a granddaddy of colossal errors by backing Bin Laden. We'd have been far better off if we'd never lifted a finger in Afghanistan.
47 posted on 09/24/2001 9:06:02 PM PDT by sakic
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To: Liberty
What was the danger to us in Afghanistan that called for us to install a fanatical fundamentalist government?
48 posted on 09/24/2001 9:07:41 PM PDT by sakic
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To: sakic
We'll never really know that, will we? Consider what we'd seen socialist and communist regimes DO... that looked pretty darn scary at the time. I'm sorry, no one could have predicted this. We were trying to be the good guys when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. This is all just Monday morning quarterback talk.
49 posted on 09/24/2001 9:17:45 PM PDT by Anamensis
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To: sakic
We would never have even heard of Bin Laden if we hadn't trained and financed him to defeat our communist enemy.

Nonsense. Bin Laden was one of thousands who were trained to beat back the Soviet invasion of Afganistan. He was no one special at the time... just another Saudi who went there to fight. His roots of hatred for the US are based in our positioning troops in Saudi Arabia to fight Iraq. So you could say if we had not stopped a mad man from Bagdhad intent on mass murder, we would not be dealing with another mad man intent on mass murder.

50 posted on 09/25/2001 8:12:46 AM PDT by Ditto
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