America's New Religiosity: God Bless America, But Don't You Dare Tell Us To Repent!

Alpha & Omega Ministries ^ | n/d | Dr. James White

[GuillermoX]

There is no evidence that the Apostles, Paul or any of the first Christians preached that God was divisible and "3 distinct persons". They were strict monotheists. They recognized Jesus was God in the Flesh, not the "Second Person". Trinitarianism says Jesus is Number Two. The Bible says He is the First and the Last, the Alpha and Omega. There is no other name under heaven by which men are saved. The main problem with the Trinity, imo, is that it relegates Jesus, the ONLY One who saves, to junior status. Jesus is the same God of the Old Testament, with a robe of flesh. The Son is the Father in flesh form. Jesus was both human and deity. Jesus' prayers are His flesh crying to His spirit.

Read John 8:24. Jesus is Jehovah of the OT.

Read Isaiah 43:11, where it says there is no Savior but the God of the OT and ask yourself who saves. If you say only Jesus saves, then you can't possible believe that scripture in Isaiah.

I was born and raised in a Trinitarian church. I know what they preach. There is really no sense in continuing this discussion, as my mind will not be changed. I know God is indivsibly one and only one and that Jesus is the One.

And BibChr, there is no reason to act in such a haughty manner. Sometimes you don't give off a very good witness. Please don't take this as an insult but as a constructive criticism. Better a harsh word from a friend than a flattering one from an enemy.

[Dataman]

And you wonder why the American people treat you like the Taliban? Many of you extreme fundamentalists share common characteristics with religious fantatics elsewhere. Maybe you dont cut off the hands of criminals or stone women who wear western clothes but then you did burn your share of witches not that many years ago and before that you forced Arabs and Indians in the new world to forcibly convert to Christianity or die by the sword.

Although I'd like to say more, let me just say that your comment is not the result of studied history.

[Dataman]

Who the hell is forcing anyone to accept any of these gods? Mind your own fxx business. Its[sic] voices of intolerance whether from fundementalist Christian or Islam which is[sic] the trouble. Find God in your own way and dont feel that you have to destroy your neighbor to maintain your own faith. What a weak faith it is that cant stand proudly on its own.

Condemning intolerance while being yourself intolerant is.. well.. hypocrisy.

[BMCDA]

As you can see,it is the bible that states "no man...but by Me" it is not something we assume.

But you assume that the bible is right.

[Dataman]

The God Bless thing is shallow but consider this:

It is the first response.

It is displayed in both public and private institutions.

It drives the separation-of-C&S people nuts.

Churches were packed the following Sunday, giving many an opportunity to either hear the truth or be reminded of it.

By the time we hit the events in REVELATION, people react by cursing God, not asking for His blessing!

[mitch5501]

"But you assume that the bible is right."

You really think that's it,that christians simply assume the bible is right and away we go telling everyone else they have it wrong?

I believe the bible is the Word of God for many reasons,one of which is it's profound understanding of the human condition.

Assume?...that's a big assumption on your part.

May God bless you

May God bless America

[Prince Caspian]

We need to realize: this new American religiosity can take on the same kind of fanatic zeal that kept the hi-jackers’ hands steady all the way to their end.

I have some particularly strong concerns and thoughts about this point. A watered down, feel-good, handy sort of religion can be very dangerous when pursued with a passion driven by a desperate societal urgency and when politics and government become involved. I see the potential of the seeds being sown.

Good article, Dan. Thanks.

[Dataman]

May God bless you

May God bless America

That means very much, coming from an Australian! Thanks.

[mitch5501]

G'day bro' 8-)

I mean it with all the sincerity I can muster my friend....

MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA!

grace and peace to you

[mitch5501]

Dóh!! who left the bold on?

[BMCDA]

People of other creeds claim exactly the same to be the case with their religion and holy books.

[EternalVigilance]

Thanks for a great post.

We, as believers, always bear a greater burden than any to be of a repentant spirit, but especially now.

"For the time is come that judgement must begin at the house of God; and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God." -I Peter 4:17

[mitch5501]

"People of other creeds claim exactly the same to be the case with their religion and holy books."

Yes they certainly do...would you like to bring some forward and we can compare?

Let's see just which one is the closest to reality shall we,which one has the best description of the world around us and especially which one has the best description of human nature....and it's remedy.

Your call....

May God bless you

[BearPaw1]

Jeremiah had the same problem when God sent him to tell Israel to repent.
The people of Judah did not want to hear Jeremiah's warnings, they wanted to here what the
false prophets had to say because it was all good, happy things.
Here is what God had to say:
Jeremiah 23:16 - Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto
the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make
you vain; they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.
23:17 - They say still unto them that despise me, The Lord hath said,
YOU SHALL HAVE PEACE; and they say unto every one that walks after the
imagination of his own heart, NO EVIL shall come upon you.
23:21 - I HAVE NOT SENT THESE PROPHETS, yet they ran:
I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
23:22 - But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people
to hear my word, then they should have turned from their evil ways, and from the evil of their doings.
Read Jereimah. No one wanted to hear him say,
"Thus saith THE LORD." and as in those days many only want to hear good, feely, positive things.

[BibChr]

I'd never thought in terms of silliness. My mind snaps to another cult, when I think of that word (I don't want this thread overwhelmed, so I abstain). But it'd definitely be up there.

What's ironic to me is that Jehovah's Witnesses, who clearly DO NOT even understand the doctrine they are rejecting, are actually refuting "Oneness" theology when they constantly ask, doorstep to doorstep, "Was Jesus praying to Himself?" The Biblical Trinitarian recognizes that the very simplicity of the question reveals the questioner's lack of basic understanding; the Oneness heretic however cannot answer it rationally. To Him, Jesus was talking to Himself. Again and again and again. And answering Himself.

Whoa.

Dan Dan

[gargoyle]

...Sounds to me like "get in the box." I end my day with a confession, My God, forgive me my tresspasses, as I forgive those...

[BibChr]

You bring this back to my mind:

For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?
(1 Peter 4:17)

Dan

[BibChr]

It drives the separation-of-C&S people nuts.

Well, yes... that IS a wonderful thing!

Dan

[BibChr]

Good citation. Yes, for my whole Christian ministry, I've found Jeremiah a very apposite and moving read. He suffered with a society hell-bent on destroying themselves by rejecting the Word of God. It broke Jeremiah's heart. He tried to quit; he couldn't (ch. 17). Very moving.

Dan

[BMCDA]

I don't think religions are close descriptions of reality at all. Therefore the question which religion is the more realistic one doesn't even arise for me.
Religion itself is the problem.