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Resentful west spurned Sudan's key terror files (Gobs of info offered on Terrorists)
The Observer International ^ | September 30, 2001

Posted on 09/30/2001 3:50:21 AM PDT by Aerial

Security chiefs on both sides of the Atlantic repeatedly turned down the chance to acquire a vast intelligence database on Osama bin Laden and more than 200 leading members of his al-Qaeda terrorist network in the years leading up to the 11 September attacks, an Observer investigation has revealed.

They were offered thick files, with photographs and detailed biographies of many of his principal cadres, and vital information about al-Qaeda's financial interests in many parts of the globe.

On two separate occasions, they were given an opportunity to extradite or interview key bin Laden operatives who had been arrested in Africa because they appeared to be planning terrorist atrocities.

None of the offers, made regularly from the start of 1995, was taken up. One senior CIA source admitted last night: 'This represents the worst single intelligence failure in this whole terrible business. It is the key to the whole thing right now. It is reasonable to say that had we had this data we may have had a better chance of preventing the attacks.'

He said the blame for the failure lay in the 'irrational hatred' the Clinton administration felt for the source of the proffered intelligence - Sudan, where bin Laden and his leading followers were based from 1992-96. He added that after a slow thaw in relations which began last year, it was only now that the Sudanese information was being properly examined for the first time.

Last weekend, a key meeting took place in London between Walter Kansteiner, the US Assistant Secretary of State for Africa, FBI and CIA representatives, and Yahia Hussien Baviker, the Sudanese intelligence deputy chief. However, although the intelligence channel between Sudan and the United States is now open, and the last UN sanctions against the African state have been removed, The Observer has evidence that a separate offer made by Sudanese agents in Britain to share intelligence with MI6 has been rejected. This follows four years of similar rebuffs.

'If someone from MI6 comes to us and declares himself, the next day he can be in Khartoum,' said a Sudanese government source. 'We have been saying this for years.'

Bin Laden and his cadres came to Sudan in 1992 because at that time it was one of the few Islamic countries where they did not need visas. He used his time there to build a lucrative web of legitimate businesses, and to seed a far-flung financial network - much of which was monitored by the Sudanese.

They also kept his followers under close surveillance. One US source who has seen the files on bin Laden's men in Khartoum said some were 'an inch and a half thick'.

They included photographs, and information on their families, backgrounds and contacts. Most were 'Afghan Arabs', Saudis, Yemenis and Egyptians who had fought with bin Laden against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

'We know them in detail,' said one Sudanese source. 'We know their leaders, how they implement their policies, how they plan for the future. We have tried to feed this information to American and British intelligence so they can learn how this thing can be tackled.'

In 1996, following intense pressure from Saudi Arabia and the US, Sudan agreed to expel bin Laden and up to 300 of his associates. Sudanese intelligence believed this to be a great mistake.

'There we could keep track of him, read his mail,' the source went on. 'Once we kicked him out and he went to ground in Afghanistan, he couldn't be tracked anywhere.'

The Observer has obtained a copy of a personal memo sent from Sudan to Louis Freeh, former director of the FBI, after the murderous 1998 attacks on American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. It announces the arrest of two named bin Laden operatives held the day after the bombings after they crossed the Sudanese border from Kenya. They had cited the manager of a Khartoum leather factory owned by bin Laden as a reference for their visas, and were held after they tried to rent a flat overlooking in the US embassy in Khartoum, where they were thought to be planning an attack.

US sources have confirmed that the FBI wished to arrange their immediate extradition. However, Clinton's Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, forbade it. She had classed Sudan as a 'terrorist state,' and three days later US missiles blasted the al-Shifa medicine factory in Khartoum.

The US wrongly claimed it was owned by bin Laden and making chemical weapons. In fact, it supplied 60 per cent of Sudan's medicines, and had contracts to make vaccines with the UN.

Even then, Sudan held the suspects for a further three weeks, hoping the US would both perform their extradition and take up the offer to examine their bin Laden database. Finally, the two men were deported to Pakistan. Their present whereabouts are unknown.

Last year the CIA and FBI, following four years of Sudanese entreaties, sent a joint investigative team to establish whether Sudan was in fact a sponsor of terrorism. Last May, it gave Sudan a clean bill of health. However, even then, it made no effort to examine the voluminous files on bin Laden.


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To: aristeides
This 'war' may well come to be known as the War of Saudi Succession. The Taliban were tied to a faction around Turki and the more nationalist 'anti-western' groups. Saudi princes tend to either read the Koran and the like, or worship Bachus, Venus & co. The former would prefer a more autonomous relationship with the West, the latter simply agree with Mel Brook that it's good to be the king. 9-11 almost certainly involved the two factions.
21 posted on 09/30/2001 6:35:01 AM PDT by a history buff
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To: JohnHuang2; acehai; roughrider; BlueDogDemo; zog; Joe Hadenuf; tpaine
FYI
22 posted on 09/30/2001 6:36:29 AM PDT by Judge Parker
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan; tymesup; abundy; rwz; Proud American in Canada
FYI
23 posted on 09/30/2001 6:37:36 AM PDT by Judge Parker
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To: HalfIrish; Movemout; HENRYADAMS; abundy; headsonpikes; carenot
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24 posted on 09/30/2001 6:38:44 AM PDT by Judge Parker
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To: poweqi
I'd like to know what to do with this rage I have inside me. The Hildebeast and The Cancerous Nose will drive me to drink. This couple will NEVER come to justice.? Do you think God has something SPECIAL in store for them? I hope

Yup.....this is going to be his legacy. More and more info is coming out about his failure to act on the info given him and he knows it. Why else is he stopping people on the street and telling them he "tried to get Bin Laden."

25 posted on 09/30/2001 6:40:38 AM PDT by RightWingMama
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To: StoptheDonkey; John Locke; Leper Messiah; timestax; freedomnews; DWSUWF
FYI
26 posted on 09/30/2001 6:40:49 AM PDT by Judge Parker
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27 posted on 09/30/2001 6:41:46 AM PDT by Judge Parker
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To: _Jim, katze, silly
For your files.
28 posted on 09/30/2001 6:43:32 AM PDT by Judge Parker
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To: Lessismore;, aristeides
Great observations!
29 posted on 09/30/2001 6:54:30 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: RightWingMama
Congress is charged with the responsibility for the common defense. They failed, but we shouldn't leave bill out of the equation.
30 posted on 09/30/2001 7:10:28 AM PDT by wita
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To: RightWingMama
PS, Congress was too busy with their infighting and power plays to be overly concerned with common defense.
31 posted on 09/30/2001 7:11:58 AM PDT by wita
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To: Aerial
America,Its not the economy stupid! Its this crook and bimbo that we placed in the White House named Clinton. He started this along with all of his liberal non-conforming friends. If you havent read Gary Aldrich's book "Unlimited Acces" read it and it shows how and where this began. Americas security was put on the back burner.PAYDAY SOMEDAY!
32 posted on 09/30/2001 7:13:20 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: Judge Parker; aristeides; roughrider; BlueDogDemo
" 'This represents the worst single intelligence failure in this whole terrible business. It is the key to the whole thing right now. It is reasonable to say that had we had this data we may have had a better chance of preventing the attacks.'

"He said the blame for the failure lay in the 'irrational hatred' the Clinton administration felt for the source of the proffered intelligence."

This explanation is spin. Not a chance in the world such information would be rejected inadvertently, or from "irrational hatred."

There's a reason some powerful people in the intelligence community didn't want to be in possession of it. The only rational (rational, but evil) reason I can come up with is that the decision maker[s] didn't want certain members of our own intelligence community to know who these people are/were because those certain members can't/couldn't be trusted to keep their mouths shut.

There are some loyal Americans in our intelligence agencies; otherwise we wouldn't know half what we do. Leaks from these folks may be our salvation.

33 posted on 09/30/2001 7:16:11 AM PDT by LSJohn
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fyi
34 posted on 09/30/2001 7:19:08 AM PDT by LSJohn
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To: Aerial
--yes, but we are encouraged to rah rah rah cheerlead all our leaders and their (our) employees over the years. They can do no wrong, or "it's all the democrats fault". One or the other.

Still wondering when the klamath farmers will stop being terrorized by the bush republican administration. Whoops, more politically incorrect speech, I forgot, "he needs more time". Still wondering when any federal official or bureaucrat or employee is going to be fired and/or prosecuted for any malfeasance. Oh ya, "he needs more time". Oh no, "bush bashing". Not. It's reality stating. Let the bashes fall where they may, as far as I am concerned, the new elected rookie president honeymoon period is over.

35 posted on 09/30/2001 7:50:21 AM PDT by zog
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To: aristeides
Except that we -- or at least I -- don't know yet of anything the Sudanese did that could be interpreted as f***ing with Clinton.

Perhaps they didn't support him to his liking?

36 posted on 09/30/2001 8:00:30 AM PDT by MaeWest
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To: aristeides
Exactly.

The same group has been at work before here in the United States.

You have to give Bubba credit, however. His modus operandi was clever indeed: gut intelligence gathering through "humanitarian" means by making it illegal to recruit anyone who is not in a leadership position, disassociate the government from regimes who have key intelligence by saying they sponsor terrorism.

And, of course, indirectly sponsor bin Laden by fabricating a humanitarian crisis in Kosovo so that the KLA can funnel money from sex slavery and drugs sales into the wonderful cause of Marxist/Islamic terrorism. All of this - and the export of key American technology to the Chinese, to Syria, to anyone who would donate a few million to the wonderful democrats.

And where are the terribly honest and forthright Republicans on all of this? They're forming coalitions with the sponsors of terrorism to ease our pain.

37 posted on 09/30/2001 8:00:43 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: fnord
You act surprised ... of course Clinton had an "irrational" hatred of Sudan; how much money do you think they could contribute to his "campaign" funds?

Bingo.

BUMP

38 posted on 09/30/2001 8:02:49 AM PDT by MaeWest
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To: Aerial
Imagine how nice things would have been if Gore had slithered his way into the White House...

Business...as usual...

--Boris

39 posted on 09/30/2001 8:13:01 AM PDT by boris
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To: aristeides; LSJohn; thinden; rdavis84; malador, SKYDRIFTER
Except that we -- or at least I -- don't know yet of anything the Sudanese did that could be interpreted as f***ing with Clinton.

My understanding is that the Sudanese were using aspirins as a birth control device. You know, "take one, stick it between you kness and hold it there." This cut down on the population growth of the Sudan, and limited the number of foreigners that Clinton could bring into the country. Consequently, Clinton blew-up the aspirin factory.

And people say he wasn't rational. The jokes on them.

40 posted on 09/30/2001 8:17:57 AM PDT by Judge Parker
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