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Resentful west spurned Sudan's key terror files (Gobs of info offered on Terrorists)
The Observer International ^ | September 30, 2001

Posted on 09/30/2001 3:50:21 AM PDT by Aerial

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To: malador
I mean Bush wouldn't have basically the same policies as Clinton now, would he?

Well..I have entertained the thought.

61 posted on 09/30/2001 11:58:15 PM PDT by Aerial
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To: glf
---why, thankyou for your insightful commentary in post #57. Does the fact that this is now the BUSH administration and not the clinton administration reflect on what is going on? How long is everything going to be blamed on clinton, especially the complete LACK of prosecution of any of the past malfeasances? Is the republican bush administration "in charge" now, or is it not? Are the klamath farmers still being ethnically cleansed and terrorised, or are they not? Have any of the old scandals we were discussing prior to 9-11 been solved yet, or have they not? Are we now looking at the creation of an entirely new massive federal level of police state apparti, or are we not? Anything wrong with just enforcing the laws on the books with regards to immigration and tourist status in this country? Is that so terrible a concept without instituting a complete police state? Is it the BUSH REPUBLICAN administration that is disallowing airline pilots to carry guns on the flights, in favor of having some military fighter jet shoot the entire plane down with missile and cannon fire in case of a skyjacking, or is it still the democrat clinton administration ordering this?

These and more are still 100% verifiable and *real* questions and concerns. The names are there, the political parties names are there. Bush won, it's his and his party's job to do the business of government, and frankly, they are looking more and more like the same old coverups of malfeasance, and instituting the same old goose stepping policies. This is to be IGNORED?

Not to me it's not, I refuse to be a blinders-on sieg heiler to any political party or personality cult, Bush and the GOP included. I am a patriot to our country, I am not a loyal follower of any single political party and their temporary personality cult figures. I offer praise when it's deserved, condemnation when it's deserved, simple as that. Consistency. Clinton was the worst president we ever had following FDR as far as I am concerned. there ya go, condemnation of the democrats and clinton. But so far, shrub has been a big fat YAWNER. Every chance he's gotten to actually shrink the size of big government he has missed. Every chance to go back to the constitution has been missed. Not only missed, but now he wants to finalise this new secret police agency, completely above and beyond the constitution. Before 9-11, it was all fast tracking the millions of illegals here into "officially approved guest worker" status-the stealth full amnesty word twisted version- despite the fact we ALREADY had what was supposed to be a one time general amnesty, something that was PROMISED to us by THE REPUBLICANS, remember? It was promised as a ONE TIME, NO MORE, NEVER AGAIN deal. Well? Looks like they LIED about that one, didn't they? The dems lied, and the repubs lied about it, business as usual in foggy bottom. Business as usual with red china, a nation that has threatened us with ICBM nuclear missile strikes. I can see the traitorus clinton and his lackeys doing this, any reason why this policy hasn't changed yet under REPUBLICAN GEORGE BUSH? Why is this exactly? Why? He was governor of texas, last I knew right on the border with mexico, surely he's marginally aware of the mass invasion of illegals going on, so, is there any reason why on day two or three of his being president he couldn't have just picked up a phone and ordered the laws on the books enforced? I mean, just as president order the law enforced?

I dunno, I had great, great hopes for him when he made it in. Like everyone I was sweating out that weird squeaker of an election, hoping against hope it wouldn't lead to outright civil war or something. Sigh of relief when things apparently settled down and we stayed mostly civil about things in this country. So, when does the actual work start? 3/4ths of an entire year into this administration now, zero prosecutions of any of the past traitorus activites, the worst terrorist strike in our nations history, fast tracking china into full access even more than they had before into our country, ignoring the borders until 9-11, and still not enforcing the laws on illegals being here, or prosecuting those who hire them to work-laws ON THE BOOKS- and the continuuing exploitation and rural cleansing of not only the klamath farmers, but people all over in "flyover" country who in large part got him elected-not the urban elite, rural people, as evidenced by the famous election map. Bailout for the airlines, while thousands of people completely bankrupted into oblivion by the so-called endangered species act. Ranchers on the border demonized and threatened with prosecution for trying to protect the US from outright invasion, threatened with prosecution, but welfare for the invaders.

Phooie, too many things to list now. Cuss all you want, it's still real. A lot more people will be cussing when a year or two from now they realise that we have just undergone a serious military coup in this nation, with almost irreversible consequences. That little factoid is going to be lost in the outpouring of "nuke the ay-rabs" going on. Yep, those islamic terrorists are going to be a big problem, and need to be dealt with, but throwing the freedom and constitutional baby out with the terrorist bathwater is NOT a wise move.

Learn from history, or keep repeating it, one or the other. Reichstagg, part deux.

63 posted on 10/01/2001 7:33:51 AM PDT by zog
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To: all
A link for all the nice irate people here: US Congress Subpoena Orders Ashcroft To Release Clinton Evidence on 9/11/01 - Re-Post Thread 2

September 11 was the day of the terrorist attacks. Does anyone know whether the evidence was turned over to Justice, or what happened on this issue?

Come on over, help if you can.

Thanks. < /interruption >

64 posted on 10/01/2001 9:58:36 AM PDT by smorgle
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To: zog;glf;Askel5;malador
I refuse to be a blinders-on sieg heiler to any political party or personality cult, Bush and the GOP included. I am a patriot to our country, I am not a loyal follower of any single political party and their temporary personality cult figures. I offer praise when it's deserved, condemnation when it's deserved, simple as that.

I am in absolute and total agreement with this. And all the rest of post #63.

When I get agreement on my posted opinions of Clinton's treason that's fine. It's nice to know that a few people have a clue. For those who think I'm just Clinton bashing...all I can say is you're mistaken. I hammer that point because until it becomes widely recognized just how evil and despicable the wonderful Clinton administration was too few will accept and believe the all too true condemnations zog has laid out in post #63.

Clinton obviously didn't commit his crimes and treasonous acts in a vacuum. He had lots of help. To give one example it was a Republican Congressional majority that voted for MFNS for the PRC. Other instances of Republican and bureaucratic complicity and enablement are mountainous. The reasons for consistently laying blame at Clinton's feet are twofold.
One, he is directly responsible for his actions as a President. The rule of law means something or it doesn't.
Two, Clinton was and is the public and legal umbrella that has sheltered the vast majority of actions that have sold out our Constitution and left us more vulnerable on several levels from citizen disarmament to hamstringing national security.

That it continues on in the current administration under the guise of 'moral leadership' is apparent to those who care to know the truth. Unfortunately the numbers of people who lack the courage to face it are staggering. Until Clinton is universally seen for what he is there is little chance that unveiling the rest of the truth will meet with significant acceptance.

65 posted on 10/01/2001 11:58:43 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: TigersEye;.30Carbine
BTTT
66 posted on 10/01/2001 12:02:29 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: TigersEye
He had lots of help

For all my bitching about BOTH former President Bush's and Bob Dole's "sending a message" during impeachment that the "Mad Bomber of Sudan" should not be removed, I guess my all-time fav is Danforth's wiping Clinton and Reno's Waco weapons clean under cover of "election crisis" on November 8, 2001.

67 posted on 10/01/2001 1:02:03 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Aerial
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! Is this the Twilight Zone or what?

No, it was the Klintoon administration, foul, corrupt, disgusting and inept.

Based on what I recall of the incidents versus what is printed here, I believe the article.

68 posted on 10/01/2001 2:10:04 PM PDT by jimt
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To: SKYDRIFTER
Airline Safety ‘Net

- look to the TWA-800” and “Attack on America” links.

Are you pushing that pathetic little site over here too?

That site is pathetic ... looks to be written by high school dropouts!!

69 posted on 10/01/2001 3:26:20 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: SKYDRIFTER
With enough terrorists acts big enough, we get to usher in the enhanced Nazism of the New World Order!
Something I've been wanting to ask you conspiracy screwballs -

If gov't complicity (our gov't, ala a michael rivero US gov't did it scenario) was a factor -

- why didn't these terrorists take advantage of the election delay we had back in December in an effort to get the NWO's prime boy (Clinton) held over for one more (or even PART OF ONE MORE) term - kinda like Rudy is doing in New York City?

Looks to me like these 'conspiracies' are nothing but smoke and VERY little mirror ...


70 posted on 10/01/2001 3:33:30 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: Aerial
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! Is this the Twilight Zone or what?

No. It was the Clinton administration, from Reno to Freeh, to Richardson, to Halfbright, to Meissner (INS) to Rubin (don't freeze terriorist bank accounts), etc., etc., ad nauseum.

71 posted on 10/01/2001 3:45:47 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: _Jim
Ah Jimmy, you were released from the disinformationist briefing early!

They did get their boy into office.

George Bush Sr. officially announced the New World Order, remember? During the Gulf War, remember?

Surely you remember the CIA 8-part lecture series, "The CIA Intelligence Challenges in the New World Order through 2015." John Gannon, remember?

Jimmy, you're too old to be cutting class; I won't tell, though.
72 posted on 10/01/2001 4:40:23 PM PDT by SKYDRIFTER
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To: _Jim
Hey Jimmy,

About that "Airline Safety Net," all the data checks out without exception that I can find. If that stuff wasn't written by professionals, there aren't any - whether you like it or not!

If you find any actual (or significant) errors, could you be specific?

Did you know that the Seattle regional FAA office blocked that site from it's computer system. They wouldn't do that with porn sites, why are they so afraid of the truth? Pornography is tolerable, but not truth?

How about that part where the captain threw the airport security issue in Jane Garvey's face years ago, but she didn't care? Was it twice he hit her with it?

Hey, you should be qualified to speak to "Project Bojinka." Tell us about that. Were all those bombing and attacks faked? You should be able to tell us that much without killing us. How 'bout it?
73 posted on 10/01/2001 4:59:34 PM PDT by SKYDRIFTER
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To: Judge Parker
We might be getting set up by these agencies that still have the Clinton holdovers.

They could be feeding Bush misleading info.

Just like the Treasury and the ATF did in their reports to Congress in reference to WACO.

To set up this new Global World Order through the U.N.

74 posted on 10/01/2001 5:09:40 PM PDT by freedomnews
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To: SKYDRIFTER;_Jim
If you find any actual (or significant) errors, could you be specific?

He never does that does he? I guess he can't.
You've pegged him correctly.

75 posted on 10/01/2001 11:18:14 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: Aerial
US sources have confirmed that the FBI wished to arrange their immediate extradition. However, Clinton's Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, forbade it.

More Clinton legacy.

76 posted on 10/02/2001 11:12:22 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: Aerial
Some discussion on this on CNN tonight on a special with Monitor Aaron Brown.

It was stated that this was a huge failure of the CIA!

77 posted on 10/02/2001 8:20:16 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Aerial
One senior CIA source admitted last night: 'This represents the worst single intelligence failure in this whole terrible business. It is the key to the whole thing right now. It is reasonable to say that had we had this data we may have had a better chance of preventing the attacks.'

This was the statement shown on the CNN special!

78 posted on 10/02/2001 8:22:54 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I'm shocked that they aired it.
79 posted on 10/02/2001 8:49:18 PM PDT by Aerial
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To: Aerial
Something has changed at CNN.
I am finding that I am watching them almost as much as Foxnews.
Larry King had Laura Bush on tonight with a good interview
and he had Ashcroft on with an excellent discussion!

But the Special with Aaron Brown was just excellent!
Would be worth it to watch the replay , I assume it will be shown later.

80 posted on 10/02/2001 10:26:47 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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