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The West at War:Meeting the Enemy:We have lots of Nuclear Weapons and
The Sunday Mirror:UK ^ | October 1st, 2001 | The Sunday Mirror:UK

Posted on 10/01/2001 1:31:13 AM PDT by garyhope

THE WEST AT WAR: MEETING THE ENEMY: WE HAVE LOTS OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND WILL USE THEM IF WE HAVE TO, MR BLAIR

CHILLING THREAT BY THE GRINNING TALIBAN CHIEFTAIN

IT takes a fortnight and 15 fraught phone calls before the short, almost illegible, note is delivered.

I have finally been granted a meeting with Hafiz Hussain Ahmed, one of the senior figures in Afghanistan's feared Taliban regime.

An ancient taxi takes me to a run-down flat in a dusty neighbourhood of Islamabad, Pakistan.

Armed guards usher me into a small and grimy room in Flat 308. It contains a small desk with a battered copy of the Koran, a threadbare prayer mat, and a table.

At the table sits Ahmed, vice-president of the Jamiat-E-Ulama Islam, the League of Islamic Scholars. With his long beard, white robes and pleasant face he has the demeanour of an indulgent uncle. It's hard to imagine that this is a man who has fought alongside terror warlord Osama bin Laden in savage battles to drive the Russians from Afghanistan.

This is his first-ever interview with a Western journalist and he is unfailingly polite, highlighting the Muslim tradition of hospitality.

But his words betray him. As a retinue of servants pour strong Afghan quhava tea, without a trace of emotion he utters threats which will send a chill through the Western world.

For the first time a senior Taliban official claims that the regime has nuclear weapons - and is prepared to use them.

"If the US and Britain attack Afghanistan with nuclear weapons, we will respond with the same type of warfare. We will not give in. We will have no hesitation in striking back immediately. It is vital the world knows this," he says.

"We bought our nuclear weapons from the USSR when it broke up. We have a huge stockpile but I am forbidden from saying anything more. It is top secret.

"There are also Muslim-minded people in the West who have sworn they can provide us with the latest military technology. If the war starts we can call upon unlimited resources from our network of supporters across the world.

"This will be the Third World War."

As we speak, me the Western journalist in jeans and trainers, him the sworn enemy of the West in his religious robes, his voice is far removed from the hysterical tub-thumping associated with Muslim fundamentalists.

But his message is just as disturbing as he clasps his hands together, displaying a £1,000 Longines gold watch on his wrist.

"All the Muslim nations in the world will fight against the US and their allies if they attack," he says.

"In the Baluchistan province of Pakistan alone we have recruited 36,000 men. In all of Pakistan more than three million men are ready to die in the name of Allah." Ahmed, 55, who lives in a secret bunker in the Afghan capital of Kabul for six months each year, hails from the remote and mountainous province of Baluchistan, whose capital city Quetta is a hotbed of fanatical Taliban support.

His threats to the West even include a personal message for Tony Blair.

"This is a dispute between the US and Afghanistan," he says. "Tony Blair is the puppet of George W. Bush. He is meddling in a dispute which has nothing to do with him.

"I can tell you that any country which carries out attacks on Afghanistan will be subjected to revenge attacks. Yes, that includes London and other cities of the allies, no matter where they are. Mr Blair, you should listen very carefully, and think before you rush into any decision."

At this point one of Ahmed's three mobile phones - a Nokia - rings. We later learn from our translator that the call is from another high-ranking Taliban official urging him not to talk to "the Western journalist".

But he ignores the demand and returns to the cracked veneer table. I ask him if he has a message for Mr Bush and Mr Blair.

"Mr Bush, please be calm." he replies. "We are a people of peace, not of war. Afghanistan has already defeated the USSR. You are welcome to try and attack Afghanistan. By the grace of God your country will be smashed into 52 pieces.

"Mr Blair, we have no dispute with you and your government. However, if you act with the USA we will teach your nation and your soldiers a lesson you will never forget."

Asked what message he has for those who lost loved ones in the terrorist attacks in America, Ahmed, replies: "I condemn this horrific action. My heart goes out to every man, woman and child who has lost a loved one.

"I feel deep grief for their loss, but the Americans and all the rest of the world should recognise the reasons for this attack. It is because they continue to support the Jews in every conflict.

"Has not Israel been involved in terrorist atrocities in Palestine? If the US continues its policy of supporting Jews across the world, then I'll predict there will be more attacks like that in New York."

Ahmed is careful to say that "Osama", as he affectionately refers to his former partner in battle, is NOT responsible for the atrocities in New York and Washington and is no longer with the Taliban.

"We are in regular contact with Osama. I am afraid I cannot tell you when we last spoke to him, but it was in the last few days. Osama is not a terrorist. He is a kind, polite and very religious man. His only wish is for the USA forces to pull out of his beloved Saudi Arabia. I believe he has now left Afghanistan and is living in some other country."

Ahmed's boast that the Taliban has a nuclear stockpile, as the first such claim by a senior figure in the regime, will send shockwaves through the Allied forces.

Immediately after the September 11 attacks Prime Minister Tony Blair and Jack Straw told Parliament that terrorist forces might be prepared to use chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. And US Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz told Nato counterparts in Brussels there was an "alarming connection" between states sheltering terrorists and those trying to develop nuclear, biological and chemical weapons.

The CIA have known for 10 years that the Russian Mafia have been selling such weapons and components stolen from the former Soviet Union's arsenal.

The US government believes Osama bin Laden is already running a secret nuclear weapons laboratory inside Afghanistan, supported by Iraq's Saddam Hussein. It is designed to build a "Dirty Bomb" - which kills by spreading radioactive fallout over a wide area rather than causing an atomic explosion.


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To: Loopy
Ugly scenario, one that I've thought of myself. Given the level of press control in the totalitarian (all variants) Muslim states, a nuke in Afghanistan would of course be blamed on the U.S., even if the radiation signiture is pure Soviet ("acquired" in the chaos of the disintegration of the empire), or Paki.
41 posted on 10/01/2001 11:31:10 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: Lazamataz
An airliner filled with fuel IS a weapon of mass destruction.

Heck, a couple of guys here in NC tossed a pipe bomb in the basment of a courthouse the other day. The have been charged with making and using a weapon of mass distruction. It only blew a few windows out.

42 posted on 10/01/2001 11:32:48 AM PDT by Flint
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To: garyhope
Osama Bin Laden and his boys used Simple Knives and Paper/Box Cutters in New York to send us and the rest of the world a message. “The US is Not Invincible”

This guy wants to inspire the “World of Islam into a Holy War plain and simple”. If he is killed so much the better he gets an express ticket to heaven, and martyrs always inspire more martyrs for the good of the cause.

Osama is a guerrilla fighter and he thinks like one. His attacks escalating in nature thus far TWA 800, Egyptian Air, American Embassies in Africa, USS Cole, Oklahoma City (10 %-20% chance of funding IMO), and now WTC and the Pentagon were/are designed to probe and see how we will react and allow him(or his Organization) to adapt. He knows where we are weak.

At the same time OBL has been and still is developing his network of financial support, intelligent support, and terrorist capabilities. The US has many enemies and he will exploit as many as he needs.

OBL will make one move at a time, but he looks ahead several moves at a time. He will exploit one event then move on to the next.

His technique is obvious “Death by a Thousand Cuts”.
43 posted on 10/01/2001 11:34:25 AM PDT by bluetoad
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To: Loopy
Your scenario ignores the problem that the US response is far less likely to be sending TROOPS hither and thither, and more likely to be sending nuclear warheads here and there...never send an infantryman to do a nuclear warhead's job.
44 posted on 10/01/2001 11:35:55 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: FreedomPoster
These people are crazed fanatics and only understand force.

After all, they are willing to die. Beter sooner than later, before they do who knows what.

45 posted on 10/01/2001 11:43:19 AM PDT by oyez
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To: DAnconia55
I think they are waiting for what he said ... escallation. There are ominous signs that we are courting allies among those who will never be our allies, and we are snubbing those who would be. If this escallates, I think Europe will tuck its tail, the muslims will unite, and The Chnese and Soviets will watch with glee.
46 posted on 10/01/2001 11:44:28 AM PDT by gjenkins
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To: Poohbah
Your scenario ignores the problem that the US response is far less likely to be sending TROOPS hither and thither, and more likely to be sending nuclear warheads here and there...never send an infantryman to do a nuclear warhead's job.

Thanks for the riposte!! No, I think that at the beginning of such a disaster (as has been seen by the handling of the present disaster) there could be expected to be a rather constrained response. When I said rushing troops hither and thither I was really talking about expected attempts at quelling local disturbances, the failure fo which would only add to the flames of Islamics.

47 posted on 10/01/2001 11:46:03 AM PDT by Loopy
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To: Poohbah
One thing that is bothering me, oh cripes there area about a thousand things bothering me, but in particular...Do we have enough of our military assets positioned close enough together that a large explosion could seriously hurt us?

Additionally, I too believe bin Laden and coherts deliberately provoked us 9.11 and are saving the big guns for later. He has claimeed he can bring down the US in three days..ponder what he meant by that?

48 posted on 10/01/2001 11:47:42 AM PDT by riri
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To: gjenkins
My scenario (see above) would accomplish exactly that. It would put the US back 50 years. Please let me have your comments.
49 posted on 10/01/2001 11:48:30 AM PDT by Loopy
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To: Loopy
x42 sent the US back 50 years....
50 posted on 10/01/2001 11:50:17 AM PDT by riri
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To: riri
Not really. Can't say beyond that.
51 posted on 10/01/2001 11:52:37 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: riri
I'm talking globally and strategically. Such a series of developments would make the US position in the Mideast untenable.
52 posted on 10/01/2001 11:57:56 AM PDT by Loopy
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To: Loopy
Do we have any kind of radiation sensors at entry points? Can a unexploded nuke be detected by radiation?
53 posted on 10/01/2001 12:08:59 PM PDT by garyhope
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To: garyhope
Yes--they emit gammas and neutrons. We use gamma-ray spectometry and neutron activation analysis to detect explosives--a GRS/NAA rig would detect something EMITTING gammas and neutrons and sound a BIG alarm.
54 posted on 10/01/2001 12:11:59 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Loopy
My western mind can not fathom a sacrificial nuc. It could happen, and we would be left holding the bag by irrational zealots, pansy pacifists, and our own nieve ideas about capitalism without principle. I think we need to quit relying on Mid-East oil and the belief that we can further our interests by playing musical mid-east chairs. Alas, this will never happen.
55 posted on 10/01/2001 12:27:37 PM PDT by gjenkins
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To: Loopy
Good thoughts!
56 posted on 10/01/2001 1:52:22 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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57 posted on 10/01/2001 1:54:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: seeker41
Horse Poop!

Kill them all!

YESTERDAY!

58 posted on 10/01/2001 2:03:21 PM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: gjenkins,madrussian
My opinion is a bit different.

WW III will look like this :

India, Britain, Japan, Russia, US vs China, Iraq, Pakistan, Terrorists, other Arabs. With perhaps Iran and Saudi sitting out. If Israel gets in... well...
There are no plausible scenarios where the Russians attack us. They know us. They understand and can reason with us. They have dealt with us. They do not want to deal with Muslim fanatics. I'd imagine Putin has a lot more nightmares about Arab attacks than he does us....

Russia has a vested interest in protecting itself from Muslim/Arab powers. Further, they have an interest in our own survival.
Nah, you read it right. If we go, there's nothing stopping China from moving 10,000,000 infantry in the only free direction they can march.... North.

The supposition I have seen here, about Russia's strategic goals made sense. (Sorry FReeper, I forgot you.) Northern Hemisphere against the South or Middle.

My belief is we'll see a lot more US and Russian cooperation. And if we could shed the vestiges of the Cold War, we could probably cooperate for some geniune good.

If we have to have this Global Political organization (and I admit , that sooner or later, in one form or another .... global government is inevitable) - I'd certainly prefer to have the Russians at the bargaining table than the Muslims. At least that way, there's a slim chance of a Republican form of government. With shared history, similar ideals, and worldviews. This is not possible under any Muslim rule or coalition.

To Ponder: Russia has more Chinese illegal immigrants than we have Mexicans... And the Mexicans don't have 1.2 Billion people, tanks and Nuclear weapons.

Madrussian ping : Is my analysis correct?

59 posted on 10/01/2001 6:56:19 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: DAnconia55
I hope you are right, but I have read to many 'USSR Deception' articles.
60 posted on 10/01/2001 7:14:29 PM PDT by gjenkins
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