Posted on 10/01/2001 12:35:49 PM PDT by newzjunkey
"Not all religions are the same. They're not all good."
"Christianity [is good and] should be contrasted with Islam and its impact."
"On what basis could you justify suicide mass killing everywhere."
He claims it's justified in Islam (by Bin Ladin) because the US is seen as a warzone, just as bombings in Israel are justified by Islamics, even those who condemn the WTC attacks because Israel is a warzone.
Yes, the trouble started when Abraham kicked Hagar and Ishmael out of the tent, though Hagar never should have had Ishmael, and if Abraham had trusted God, it may have never happened. He may have thought it was just a small sin.
The "your ilk" is not my ilk. I am not a Muslim. And I am most certainly not defending any terrorists, and Osama Bin Laden being one of the worst (if not the worst) I wish he was gone from this planet a long time ago. Thousands of innocent people died because of his insanity, and if you even thought for one moment that I was justifying him or defending him, you'r very wrong.
All I talked about was the hatred coming from certain people, that would want to make ALL Muslims terrorists and portray them as such. Christianity vs Muslim or something. Which is probably what Osama Bin Laden planned to do. So he would unite even the vast majority of those Muslims that would never stand behind him. Making it a Holy war, is exactly what certain people would like to make it look like. And there's where my problem is. And not elsewhere. So....
I said I didn't know much about it, and I don't. But I do have a CD-ROM copy. And I have the sense not to post something as authoritative that I found at nazi.com after a two minute Internet search.
ML/NJ
Sad. Truly sad.
ey Teacher there is a difference. Christ never said kill the heathens or conquer this city by arms (if Christians did they sinned). Muhammed did say these things!
Ever read Matthew chapter 10?
4 "Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Sounds pretty clear to me! That is not the words of some prince of peace. Hmm .. well, how about
35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;
Oh dear! This makes Christianity seem a pretty disruptive and violent religion, doesn't it? Still, at least there are no Islam-like claims that to fight for Jesus will get you into heaven. Or are there?
39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for my sake will find it.
Well, that could easily be interpreted as a pledge that if you die for me, you'll have eternal life, no?
I am, of course, quoting out of context.
But perhaps you should ask yourself: am I the only one?
Regards
Sadim
The sad truth: Which ratio yields the largest number:Probably 4 .. but without knowing how many terrorists there are (of all stripes), how many moslems, and how many young people, the maths on this one are almost impossible to determine.
1) Muslim terrorists / Muslims
2) Male terrorists / Males
3) Human terrorists / Humans
4) Young terrorists / Young
5) Dark haired terrorists / Dark haired people
You can fool some of the dhimmis some of the time...
Maybe if you knew what hermeneutics was and could apply Biblical interpretation with understanding rather than knee-jerk responses. The above quote indicates that the gospel would bring persecution and the sword against those who believe. Not that he and his followers would bring the sword by the believers to the unbelievers. The rest of Christ's message repeatedly confirms that including particularly the Sermon on the Mount.
35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;
Oh dear! This makes Christianity seem a pretty disruptive and violent religion, doesn't it? Still, at least there are no Islam-like claims that to fight for Jesus will get you into heaven. Or are there?
Another brain-dead interpretation. Again, because one believes in Christ this will set those who don't believe in Him against them. A house will be divided because others will not believe in Him. Oh dear! Unable to understand basic Scripture. Best not to even play with it then.
39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for my sake will find it. Well, that could easily be interpreted as a pledge that if you die for me, you'll have eternal life, no?
Christ is saying that if you believe and follow Him (lose your life in Him) you will find it. If you are self-absorbed and not interested in eternity and Him you will lose your life to this world and the temporal. There is no inducement to killing in His name. Unlike Mohammed Jesus didn't slaughter people and confiscate their lands, and put a punishing tax on them as Mohammed did. I look at Christ's life in comparison to Mohammed and with Mohammed I see a brigand, thief and murderer. The context of the Koran is clear because of Mohammed's life.
The quotations of the Koran are not out of context they are clear and unmistakable, Moreover many of them are uttered while Mohammed is committing the murder and plundering as justification for the acts.
How many people has Michael Medved killed?
Like you have Islamic fundamentalists, you have their counterparts in other religions. There's not much of a difference really.
When was the last time a Baptist suicided four jetliners? Get a grip.
Hatred is not part of my agenda. Never was.
Ah, the agenda: You're better than everyone else because you are "against hate." Well I am against stale donuts.
One chooses to be muslem.
Apples - Oranges.
And since when is it not OK to be against hatred? Is hatred supposed to be a good thing? Some new ethical standards?
Oh yeah? Have they pronounced a Jihad against doctors? Are they operating in Afghanistan, Algeria, Philippines, Egypt, Indonesia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Pakistan, India, etc.etc? Are they trying to overthrow governments and assassinate leaders? Are they blowing up embassies and innocent human beings?Are you living in a dream world or is relativism your middle name? Get a brain, or better yet, forget arguing because you wouldn't know what passes for rational discussion if it bit you on the arse.
Actually, you can probably count on one hand the number of nutcases doing this, and they don't strike thousands of people at a time. Besides that, you have to look far and wide to find any congregation of Christians who condone it in any way. Even further, these are lone nutcases precisely because no one in Christendom supports them.
And since when is it not OK to be against hatred? Is hatred supposed to be a good thing? Some new ethical standards?
For one thing, anyone can say he is against hatred. Thousands of Muslims are "against hatred" yet condone the WTC attacks and the regular-as-clockwork suicide bombing of civilians in Israel.
For another, the fact that you find it necessary to state that you are against hatred, without qualifying the remark, makes it sound as though you honestly believe everyone else is for hatred.
I don't believe this is the case for you, but I have often found those disavowing hatred the loudest are the most guilty of practicing it.
Well I for one do not practice hate. I do not hate anyone, regardless of the person's religion,nationality,race,culture, sex etc...
And yes, I say it loud and clear. In times like this, that is even more important.
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