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1 posted on 10/14/2001 9:30:12 PM PDT by Pokey78
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2 posted on 10/14/2001 9:36:02 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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3 posted on 10/14/2001 9:39:43 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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He's wrong, of course. It might look like Nihilism, but it really is Islam. Sorry.
4 posted on 10/14/2001 9:40:43 PM PDT by jlogajan
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The Nihilists were also out to get the Big Lebowski's money.
5 posted on 10/14/2001 9:41:26 PM PDT by mcurb
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This blows the isolationist/pacificist/Buchananite argument out of the water. It does not matter to the enemy what US foreign policy has been or should be. They simply want to destroy us. Therefore we must destroy them first.
6 posted on 10/14/2001 9:45:01 PM PDT by StockAyatollah
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Fairly definitive, but the only real nihilism in this article (as I have come to know the term) is in Charles' refusal to state the issues in terms of good vs. evil. That makes him nihilistic insofar as the term includes the abnegation of right and wrong values.

No, what we are seeing in Bin Laden and his ilk can all be justified within Islam itself when Islam really wants to show its upraised rear end to the world. The Islamic world is coalescing around this guy as though he were the Makhdi. More and more of them are voicing their allegiance to him and their belief in his ability to triumph. Islam, like Nazism and Communism before it, dooms adherents to some rather fatuous and fanatical flights of fancy.

8 posted on 10/14/2001 9:50:28 PM PDT by Migraine
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Neocon Krauthammer is desperate for a new tack to inspire the masses to go to a war. His and his neocon buddies' agenda is transparent -- America must fight Israel's war.
11 posted on 10/14/2001 10:05:15 PM PDT by madrussian
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21 posted on 10/14/2001 11:05:26 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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22 posted on 10/14/2001 11:07:23 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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It might not be nihilism in the strict sense. These people have a method to their religious madness, with definite goals and beliefs. This means it may be possible at least in principle to short circuit them. I fear, however, that America is too peecee to do things like killing terrorists with larded bullets and burying them in pigskins, which worked for the British decades ago. But again, maybe these new Muslims don't really care (they didn't seem to care about carousing in bars before they hijacked our planes).
28 posted on 10/14/2001 11:27:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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Goebbels would have marvelled at the recruitment tape for al Qaeda, a two-hour orgy of blood and death: image after image of brutalized Muslims shown in various poses of victimization, followed by glorious images of desecration of the infidel--mutilated American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of the USS Cole, mangled bodies at the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Throughout, the soundtrack endlessly repeats the refrain "with blood, with blood, with blood."

WHAT! No scenes from Chechnya where they slice the heads off captured Russian soldiers. This is favorite Jihadist video footage and can be purchased from the right people. Krauthammer is right about the blood blood blood part.

33 posted on 10/14/2001 11:38:47 PM PDT by dennisw
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"We are within reach of great nihilistic forces that have undone civilization." In places like Afghanistan, "religion has been turned by some into a kind of nihilism, where people wish to destroy themselves and destroy their past and their culture . . . to be pure. They are enraged about the world and they wish to pull it down." This kind of fury and fanaticism is unappeasable. It knows no social, economic, or political solution. "You cannot converge with this [position] because it holds that your life is worthless and your beliefs are criminal and should be extirpated."

This sums up perfectly why they must be destroyed. It will not end, otherwise.

Concerning the Nazi analogy -- Nazis themselves wanted to live; these radical muslims want to die killing infidels.

42 posted on 10/15/2001 12:23:59 AM PDT by Lizzy W
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"the only solution is for Bush to convert to Islam."

Oh, there's one other solution: We kill you.

46 posted on 10/15/2001 12:32:49 AM PDT by Timesink
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Thank you for this definitive post. To CORRECTLY identify what we are up against, it is required that one drop the comfort of the more common, human contexts, (i.e. politics, economics, religion) that often lend a framework for understanding.

What is seems to me Krauthammer is saying is that the Bin Ladens and the Hitlers of the world are "outside of the square" of humanity. They have crossed over a line that says that death takes precedence over any discussion or argument regarding politics, economics, or religion, which are areas that ASSUME that what is at stake, for either side in the debate, is the most optimal condition for life, NOT LIFE ITSELF.

48 posted on 10/15/2001 12:54:19 AM PDT by StealthChild
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Islamism is the next "ism" after Fascism and Bolshevism.
60 posted on 10/15/2001 5:39:19 AM PDT by Doctor13
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As a leader of Hamas declared at a rally three days after the World Trade Center attack, "the only solution is for Bush to convert to Islam."

This is a pretty good post. People need to keep in mind Muslims mean something other than what we think when they say they are "peace-loving", they believe they will be as soon as the whole world is living under Islamic law and forced to practice this faith. This is the peace they are after and to them the ends justifies the means.

On the up side---they'll have Hillary, Janet Reno, Jane Fonda and all the feminists in long garments and veils over their faces.

61 posted on 10/15/2001 6:00:10 AM PDT by FITZ
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The Enemy Is Not Islam. It Is Nihilism

In its nihilism, its will to power, its celebration of blood and death, its craving for the cleansing purity that comes only from eradicating life and culture, radical Islam is heir, above all, to Nazism.

Sorry Charlie, the enemy is not nihilism, or even radical Islam (which is a self-redundant phrase). The enemy is the Koran itself:

Medina Suras
The Chapter of Women
[Chapters from the Koran]
The Harvard Classics 1909–14

But if there befalls you grace from God, he would say—as though there were no friendship between you and him—‘O would that I had been with thee to attain this mighty happiness!’ Let those then fight in God’s way who sell this life of the world for the next; and whoso fights in God’s way, then, be he killed or be he victorious, we will give him a mighty hire.

What ails you that ye do not fight in God’s way, and for the weak men and women and children, who say, ‘Lord, bring us out of this town 19 of oppressive folk, and make for us from Thee a patron, and make for us from Thee a help?’

Those who believe fight in the way of God; and those who disbelieve fight in the way of Tâghût; fight ye then against the friends of Satan, verily, Satan’s tricks are weak.

Do ye not see those to whom it is said, ‘Restrain your hands, and be steadfast in prayer and give alms;’ and when it is prescribed for them to fight then a band of them fear men, as though it were the fear of God or a still stronger fear, and they say, ‘O our Lord! why hast thou prescribed for us to fight, couldst thou not let us abide till our near appointed time?’ Say, ‘The enjoyment of this world is but slight, and the next is better for him who fears;’—but they shall not be wronged a straw.

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Why are ye two parties about the hypocrites, when God hath overturned them for what they earned? Do ye wish to guide those whom God hath led astray? Whoso God hath led astray ye shall not surely find for him a path. They would fain that ye misbelieve as they misbelieve, that ye might be alike; take ye not patrons from among them until they too flee in God’s way; but if they turn their backs, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them, and take from them neither patron nor help,—save those who reach a people betwixt whom and you is an alliance—or who come to you while their bosoms prevent them from fighting you or fighting their own people. But had God pleased He would have given you dominion over them, and they would surely have fought you. But if they retire from you and do not fight you, and offer you peace,—then God hath given you no way against them.

Ye will find others who seek for quarter from you, and quarter from their own people; whenever they return to sedition they shall be overturned therein: but if they retire not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them;—over these we have made for you manifest power.


67 posted on 10/15/2001 11:36:51 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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When I was a youngster, the phrase "the only good jap is a dead jap" was not only PC at the time, it was true. People counted seconds by saying, "one dead jap, two dead japs, etc,". Well, that war is over and the japs are OK now, after being straightened out atomically.

We are now faced with a new situation. A situation not unlike the one we faced in 1941. Strange zealots for whom suicide is not only acceptable, but an honor. Ignorant of the ways of the real world, they are frightened and suspicious of anyone who is different from them. Requiring each others' approval, destroying that which they do not understand is the only road they know to travel.

It may take a while for our current flavor of PC to wear off, but as moslems here are pretty clear in their tacit approval of the actions against the "infidel" or "kafir", it's just a matter of time before the PC wears off and we call the moslem community to account.

It might interest some of the younger folks to know that when the japs were put into the internment camps, it was done for their own protection. The government and the media was full of "kill the buck toothed monkey jap" posters because that's how wars are won.

I hope we all retire PC and see these anti-American moslems for what they are. No matter where they live.

73 posted on 10/15/2001 10:21:01 PM PDT by Octar
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Mmmmmm..........? No!

It's Islam.

75 posted on 10/15/2001 11:13:15 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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