Two tested for anthrax; letter to clinic stirs alarm [Planned Parenthood letter tested positive]

Miami Herald ^ | 10-17-01 | MH Staff

[Marduk]

"How about giving us an actual example of when this has been done by the ADL?"

From: http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2000-02-02/feature.html/page2.html

"On a number of occasions since the 1970s, the ADL has been caught distributing lists of its enemies, replete with detailed descriptions of "black demagogues" and "pro-Arab propagandists," including poet Amiri Baraka in the list of demagogues, and Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Noam Chomsky under the propagandist label. Then, in 1993, a longtime ADL investigator admitted to working with a member of the San Francisco Police Department to illegally gather information on almost 10,000 people, including members of socialist, labor, and anti-apartheid groups. "

"Some of the targets of that information-gathering effort have gone to court in an attempt to gain access to their dossiers, currently in possession of the ADL, but the ADL has refused to release the files, claiming that its investigator was an "investigative journalist" whose unpublished reporting materials are protected against disclosure by the California shield law, which was originally adopted to help journalists keep confidential sources who reveal important public wrongdoing confidential. "

There you have it. An ADL investigator illegally tried to get files from a police department.

[shezza]

my gut says it's a setup by the Left.

I thought this initially, too, believing the Planned Parenthood letters to be self-inflicted baby-powder envelopes. I'm sorry now I was so cynical. NOBODY deserves to die a horrible anthrax death, even if their living is earned by inflicting horrible death on innocent little babies. This is getting scary. I'm glad I live out in the middle of nowhere and won't be opening any mail for some organization. (I wonder if the White House is still opening envelopes with dollars in them from the children?)

[concerned about politics]

In my opinion, and I often have one, It seems as though the anthrax is being sent to those people or those institutions that are the biggest "infedels", or "pagans."
The right wing is usually considered the Christian right.
According to the "peace loving" Islamic people, Christitanity is its friend, but just lower in status.
According to the Killing Islamic group, at least the Christians here are not at the top of the list- for now.
The left wing is totally pagan, and therefore not anything similar to a religion that worships a God of the heavens. Which ever one it is, it's an "underground" diety.
To the Bin Ladin group, this is a Holy war.
They attack those they feel are the "unholyest."
A few packages may be sent to areas that have the rightous rights, but I still feel the goal is the pagans around them.
I just thought I'd add my "unbiased" opinion.

[Catspaw]

I remember reading a while ago the Horsley received an anthrax threat.Of course, the mainstream press never covered that story.

Yeah, I saw that on his website. You mean the police didn't investigate his anthrax threat?

I did so enjoy Mr. Horsely's appearance in the HBO special, "Soldiers in the Army of God." My hubby left the room when the Army of God guy from Alabama described his do-it-yourself circumcision.

But letters either reference or are signed, "Army of God." Where do you think law enforcement is going to look first?

[ohioman]

Go back to the pit wherest thou came from- Foul Beast. I am sure you think American right wingers were behind the WTC attack too!

[eaglebeak]

The more I think of this in the context of recent US decisions concerning the UN and international family planning, women's health, etc., the more I wonder. . .It seems to me that we are currently on par with Islamic countries in that light these days, eh? It almost makes me paranoid given the current situation re anthrax and Planned Parenthood clinics. Think about it.

[Campion]

Planned Parenthood in addition to health education, pre and post natal care help to provide


C O N T R A C E P T I O N 

Say it with me slowly now:

FORCED STERILIZATION OF THIRD WORLD WOMEN

MEXICAN WOMEN TERRORIZED INTO TUBAL LIGATIONS

BURNING OF PERUVIAN WOMEN'S FALLOPIAN TUBES WITH DANGEROUS DRUGS

PAID FOR BY YOUR TAX DOLLARS

There. That was easy, wasn't it?

[Moby Grape]

I AM RIGHT. YOU ARE WRONG. I said that authorities have NEVER said that anti-abortion groups have attempted to or threatend to us ANTHAX...PERIOD...PAY ATTENTION.

[concerned about politics]

This is a great time to turn back the tide of baby murder.
They're no better than the terrorist. The object is to kill as many Americans as possible.
The pain the infant must feel when it's being torn alive into pieces!!!!

[2020x100]

Your original quote: "...there has NEVER been any report that authorites fear that the anti-abortion groups had the means or knowledge to use antrhax."

I post information concerning an injunction from a COURT HOUSE, a Wall Street Journal report on the the TEN years
Planned Parenthood has been the target of domestic terrorism, in terms of biological agents" Peter Gulotta, an FBI spokesman in Baltimore, confirmed an investigation [regarding anthrax and biological agents] is under way. "We've gone through this before with abortion clinics," he said.

Ann Glazier, director of Planned Parenthood's security group, comprised of former clinic workers and law enforcement agents, says her organization was among the first to work with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and with law-enforcement agents four years ago to start preparing for anthrax attacks. The security group was set up in 1994."

THEN you say: " I said that authorities have NEVER said that anti-abortion groups have attempted to or threatend to us ANTHAX...PERIOD...PAY ATTENTION."

I *am* paying attention, Boy, but unless you clarify further , I am sticking by my statement: You are wrong.

[eaglebeak]

You said that authorities WHAT? I cannot understand this post!

[2020x100]

"Go back to the pit wherest thou came from- Foul Beast. I am sure you think American right wingers were behind the WTC attack too!

And a good day to you too, sir.

No I DO NOT believe right wingers were behind the WTC attack.

Tell me: Do you post on a "debate forum" just to hear the echos of your own voice? Are varying opinions that much of a threat to you?

[2020x100]

TO IMPEACH THE BOY: "You said that authorities WHAT? I cannot understand this post!

LOL. You either, huh? Thanks for your input. He had me scratching my head a few times too...

[eaglebeak]

"Go back to the pit wherest thou came from- Foul Beast"

Nothing like a little pseudo-biblical hyperbole to get the ball rolling . . .

[victim soul]

They also promote sexuality for itself i.e. hedonism-- thereby endangering our young people to emotional damage and misery, STD's, and a complete denial of the joys of a sacrifical union of man and woman in the state of marital bliss where they too can become co-creators in another human life - the offspring of their intimacy and joy.

[eaglebeak]

FORCED STERILIZATION OF THIRD WORLD WOMEN

MEXICAN WOMEN TERRORIZED INTO TUBAL LIGATIONS

BURNING OF PERUVIAN WOMEN'S FALLOPIAN TUBES WITH DANGEROUS DRUGS

PAID FOR BY YOUR TAX DOLLARS

Two questions: 1) Where did you get this awful information, and 2) Why do you think it has anything to do with Planned Parenthood?

[victim soul]

Horseley's website has been up for years. Dr. Slepian was never on his list before his cold blooded murder. So for almost three years there has been no violence against abortionists.He is not advocating violence to abortionists. He says on his TV interviews he is seeking eventual justice.He has also won an appeal for his right to publicize this very public information.

So Why now does this man's name surface now? Is it a direct attack on the pro-life movement during this horrendous time? Who offered free abortions after the WTC catastrophe? Is it because a court of appeals said his website is legal and doesn't incite violence? Who brought this lawsuit against him anyway? Who offered free abortions after the WTC catastrophe? Mp>From what I have read and heard him say: He just wants to have the names of those who participate in the killing of unwanted American children to be used in a future Nuremberg Trial held for crimes against humanity.

And if you go to the National Abortion Federation and Planned Parenthood et al websites they list openly where their clinics are and what is involved in their so-called "abortion procedures". They also advertise in the Yellow Pages every local community.So what the heck is the big deal about Mr. Horsely?

Public information is public information.Horsely has repeatedly said he wants the names for future Nuremberg Trials.

I am not defending his strategy. I am merely reporting the facts.

[Catspaw]

I am not defending his strategy. I am merely reporting the facts.

No, dear, what you're doing is attempting to reframe the issue to make this about abortion and not that a letter which tested positive for anthrax, addressed to a Planned Parenthood office and intercepted at the post office, contained a reference to "Army of God." Horsely made a film for HBO, in which he was prominently featured, called, "Soldiers in the Army of God." He's a proud member of the Army of God, as are others, including Paul Hill and Shelley Shannon.

You want to defend people who murder, like Hill, or attempt to murder, like Shannon, or encourage murder, like Horsely--and that's your choice. Just be honest about your motives and your fundamental beliefs. And if you're a member of the Army of God, or sympathize with them, it's okay with me as well. But honesty from you would be refreshing.

[SarahW]

Well, no matter who did it, it just couldn't have happened to nicer people, eh? ;)

What a crappy, shameful thing to say at a time like this. You may wink at poison in the mail, but it's the most digusting perversion of pro-life sentiment I can think of. I certainly take no pleasure in it.

Besides, Even if you hate the recipient, even a moron like you should know it could affect any number of "unintended" targets. I'm sure you forgot the mail carriers and other mail handlers who were at risk of exposure. Did it ever occur to you that planned parenthood worker and volunteers might be carrying an unborn child? Or that some pregnant women whom come for inexpensive pre-natal care, not to get abortions? Did it ever occur to you that women who go to get abortions sometime change their minds at the clinic? You approve of these women and their unborn children being dosed with spores, too? I suppose you take equal satisfaction that the women who just go there for cheap exams and pills could be exposed.

Terrorist mailings cheer you up? Unbelievable.

[eFudd]

pose a real threat to the peaceful functioning of our public democratic institutions,"

Since when is an abortion clinic a democratic institution?