Posted on 10/17/2001 12:06:45 PM PDT by ex-snook
Was one requested? Let's look, shall we?
Would you have accepted the responsiblity of the soldiers on D-Day who gave up not only 'pursuit of happiness' but their own lives? Come to think of it, they would be better off without you - you'd head for the nearest 'legal' hole.
Nope. I don't think one was requested. I believe the question posed was rhetorical in nature, given the insulting answer given right after it.
If you want an answer, you'll have to ask REAL nice, now.
In case you haven't noticed, Christians are being murdered around the world more than ever before. In the Sudan 2 million black Christians have been slaughtered by Omar Bassir--In East Timor, muslims slaughtered 300,000 Catholics--In Iraq the moslems have slaughtered 3.5 million assyrian Christians--In India radical hindu's have slaughtered thousands of Catholic Priests and missionaries. I'm sure you're also aware of Chechnya, and the Balkans.
In case you haven't noticed, Christians are the only group of people left in America that it is okay to ridicule and demean. We are at war with people who hate western culture and are trying to wipe out Judeo-Christianity. When they do eclipse us--you will finally be able to live your life without us overbearing moralistic bloward Christians who are always telling others how to live their lives.
Really? And just how do I hold personal responsibility in low esteem? Justify your position
Are you pro-choice?
People like me? Really? Do define "people like me". And do attempt to be more specific than just --- oooooo the bad people.
Those who put *themselves* before everything else--Its all about *ME ME ME!*
Where is it going? In 50 years, Israel will be comprised primarily of those of Arab descent. In 50 years, if Corporate America keeps up its WORK VISA pace, the USA will be comprised primarily of 3rd worlders.
I am talking about our culture. Judeo-Christian culture, from which the country is based. If our base goes than so do human rights. Just look at other countries based on any pagan religion.
P.S. What the heck do you think America's obsession with Santy Claus is? Non paganism? What the heck do you think your children are going to be doing in a few short weeks? The feast of Samhain (pronounced sow-en) is a PAGAN festival. THE WITCH'S NEW YEAR!! Hello? Our Christian nation calls it Halloween.
If I gave you an explanation of why you're wrong, would you even listen? I doubt it.
That is entirely disingenuous and you know it. The Taliban passes laws governing everything, and they shoot you when you violate them. You are as dishonest as they come.No, I dont advocate passing laws to correct the moral decline, I advocate individuals voluntarily choosing to act in a moral fashion.So does the Taliban. And your proposal is different from theirs, how?
This is your proof I have advocated imposing my moral vision on the unwilling? My stating I would prefer individuals voluntarily choosing to act? You are dishonest if you are going to claim that is my plea for more laws. Otherwise, you are just spinning, spinning, spinning rapidly out of control.I have not once advocated imposing my moral vision on the unwilling. I challenge you to prove otherwise. Your propaganda is laid bare, prove it or go away.From your current post: I advocate individuals voluntarily choosing to act in a moral fashion.This moral fashion is, of course, in your image? Q.E.D.
What a maroon. - quote from Bugs Bunny.Call people names and then complain when they dont laugh? Strange. Well, that and dishonest.What an unhumorous maroon.
Cheers.
patent +AMDG
If you want an answer, you'll have to ask REAL nice, now.You mean like you do? OK:
Provide an answer maroon.How was that?
patent +AMDG
Is there any mention of a day of prayer on the 31st as celebrated by Americans? Is there any mention of any "remembrance of the dead" by any of the American Christian nation on Halloween?
And what of that thief, Santy Claus? Is it proper that children anticipate his return, rather than celebrating the birth of our savior?
What a foul swill you have going there in your little cup ...
Revelation 17:4
The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality,
So, you consider dressing up in costumes and parading around begging for candy a proper celebration of a religious holiday?Didnt you call me humorless or something? There is nothing religious about trying so desperately to remove all fun from life. One can go celebrate and go pray, both can be religious and often are.
Is there any mention of a day of prayer on the 31st as celebrated by Americans? Is there any mention of any "remembrance of the dead" by any of the American Christian nation on Halloween?Yes. Certainly in my house as in many others.
And what of that thief, Santy Claus? Is it proper that children anticipate his return, rather than celebrating the birth of our savior?rather than definitely not, Christmas is Christs Mass, the return of our Lord and that is where the emphasis must be.
What a foul swill you have going there in your little cup ...I admit the Mountain Dew isnt that good for me but arent you going a bit overboard?
patent +AMDG
You're wrong about the issue regarding paganism. We replaced pagan holidays with holy days or saints feasts days to celebrate truth triumphing over falsehood. What comes to my mind for an example is the image of "Our Lady of Guadalupe."
When Mary appeared to Juan Diego, the same type of thing occured. Namely, the acceleration of the indigenous people throughout mexico. Six years after her appearance, 9 million aztec people had been baptized. Have you ever seen the tilma on which Our Lady is imprinted?
Her mantle has stars, gold sun rays, the moon and an angel. Each relates directly to some aspect of Aztec divinity. For example, the rays of the sun express the presence of the sun god qeutzacoatl. And that She is standing on the moon reminds the Nahuatl [aztecs] of the god of night. She is also being carried by an angel which further relates her to aztec divinity, since royalty and representatives of deities were carried by others.
I could go on about the artistic and technical explanations, but my point is that the symbolism spoke to the nahuatl of the 16th century. So did the events which surrounded the conversion of Pagans.
Large American families are usually either traditional Catholic, Mormon, or home-schooling Protestant. We are in Category 3, and had to stop at 4, since they all came by short cut. I'm grateful for the ones we have, however, and am glad that people of conviction and achievement are out-breeding the terminal liberal generation.
So on top of the 10+ year War on Terrorism we've just signed up for, and on top of the 30+ year War on Drugs costing us hundreds of billions of dollars, you're advocating we also start the War on Those Who Murder Christians? And you're paying for this, how? With whose tax dollars?
In case you haven't noticed, Christians are the only group of people left in America that it is okay to ridicule and demean.
I have no idea what this means. I am an equal opportunity disparaging curmudgeon.
We are at war with people who hate western culture and are trying to wipe out Judeo-Christianity. When they do eclipse us--
So, we've already lost the War on Terrorism we just declared, and (everyone knows) the War on Drugs is lost, and now your newly proposed War on Those Who Murder Christians is also a loss even before its begun? Oh, why don't we just all call Dr. Kevorkian?
you will finally be able to live your life without us overbearing moralistic bloward Christians who are always telling others how to live their lives.
I already live my life quite well, thank you, even with a few overbearing moralistic blowhard Christians as friends and family.
And just how do I hold personal responsibility in low esteem? Justify your position Are you pro-choice? Absolutely. I don't want to pay for everybody else's spawn.
Those who put *themselves* before everything else--Its all about *ME ME ME!*
You have heard it said that this is an age of moral crisis. You have said it yourself, half in fear, half in hope that the words had no meaning. You have cried that man's sins are destroying the world and you have cursed human nature for its unwillingness to practice the virtues you demanded. Since virtue, to you, consists of sacrifice, you have demanded more sacrifices at every successive disaster. In the name of a return to morality, you have sacrificed all those evils which you held as the cause of your plight. You have sacrificed justice to mercy. You have sacrificed independence to unity. You have sacrificed reason to faith. You have sacrificed wealth to need. You have sacrificed self-esteem to self-denial. You have sacrificed happiness to duty. ...
We are on strike against self-immolation. We are on strike against the creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. We are on strike against the dogma that the pursuit of one's happiness is evil. We are on strike against the doctrine that life is guilt.
....I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another to live for mine. -- John Galt, Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.
I am talking about our culture. Judeo-Christian culture, from which the country is based. If our base goes than so do human rights.
Instead of moping around mourning the untimely predicted death of our culture, perhaps you might consider devoting a little energy to what the President called "stating our case".
If I gave you an explanation of why you're wrong, would you even listen? I doubt it.
Whatever.
That is more true than most people would be willing to admit.
>It costs a great deal of money to rear children in an affluent society...
Not if your on welfare.
Fundamentalism painted itself into a corner when it discarded the future 100 years ago. This contempt for the future might explain why the broadly evangelical folks have fewer children, support public education, lose 80% of their kids to secular humanism, and steadily lose credibility.
Thank God they are NOT on the leading edge of what God is doing today!
YOU"Are we all saying that a free person in this country must subjugate their goals and dreams for their life, in order to fulfill a duty, one that is not their choice, but instead imposed upon them by a fearful society? "
ME. I hope you don't think those guys that landed on Normandy beach were nuts to sacrifice not only their future but their lives for something other than 'me'.
Don't tell me you are one of those pro-lifers in name only who opposes government-funded fetal stem cell research, but doesn't make one sound about privately funded fetal stem cell research, and certainly doesn't adjust his 401K/investment strategy to avoid those companies, and doesn't change his family's prescriptions from those companies that do engage in it.
No, I don't think they were nuts.
I see you like the bait and switch technique. Are the Christians being slaughtered or not? Or can you be bothered with that information?
And just how do I hold personal responsibility in low esteem? Justify your position Are you pro-choice? Absolutely. I don't want to pay for everybody else's spawn.
Thanks for being honest. Have a good afternoon. Regards.
Don't tell me you are one of those pro-lifers in name only who opposes government-funded fetal stem cell research, but doesn't make one sound about privately funded fetal stem cell research, and certainly doesn't adjust his 401K/investment strategy to avoid those companies, and doesn't change his family's prescriptions from those companies that do engage in it.
I oppose all of the above plus Fertility clinics. Regards.
How you any different from the Ku Klux Klan?
(If you don't like being compared to the KKK, maybe you should think twice before comparing others to the Taliban and the Chicoms.)
ME: I hope you don't think those guys that landed on Normandy beach were nuts to sacrifice not only their future but their lives for something other than 'me'.
YOU No, I don't think they were nuts.
Is that an agreement that there are things more important than 'me'? If so, you are better than you are showing. If it is just being slippery, you have found a 'hole' to hide in.
Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their enemies in the gate.God bless families America's strength.
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