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Betrayal of the Democratic Party
Book: The Naked Capitalist (appendix) | January 25, 1936 | Alfred E. (Al) Smith

Posted on 10/21/2001 11:12:41 AM PDT by LiberalBuster

BETRAYAL OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
By Alfred E. (Al) Smith

[Alfred E. Smith, Democratic governor of New York during four terms, became the Democratic candidate for President in 1928 but lost to Herbert Hoover. In 1932 he supported Franklin D. Roosevelt for President, but by 1936 he was so shocked and alarmed by what he saw happening that he decided to warn his Party. Because of the popularity of President Roosevelt this step was considered by some to be virtual treason. Nevertheless, on January 25, 1936, Alfred F. Smith gave the following speech in Washington, D.C., to warn the American people that the Democratic Party was being betrayed.]

At the outset of my remarks let me make one thing perfectly clear. I am not a candidate for any nomination by any party at any time, and what is more I do not intend to even lift my right hand to secure any nomination from any party at any time. Further than that I have no axe to grind. There is nothing personal in this whole performance so far as I am concerned. I have no feeling against any man, woman or child in the United States. I was born in the Democratic party and I expect to die in it. And I was attracted to it in my youth because I was led to believe that no man owned it. Further than that, that no group of men owned it, but on the other hand, that it belonged to all the plain people in the United States.

PATRIOTISM ABOVE PARTISANSHIP

It is not easy for me to stand up here tonight and talk to the American people against the Democratic Administration. This is not easy. It hurts me. But I can call upon innumerable witnesses to testify to the fact that during my whole public life I put patriotism above partisanship. And when I see danger, I say danger, that is the "Stop, look, and listen" to the fundamental principles upon which this Government of ours was organized, it is difficult for me to refrain from speaking up.

What are these dangers that I see? The first is the arraignment of class against class. It has been freely predicted that if we were ever to have civil strife again in this country, it would come from the appeal to passion and prejudices that comes from the demagogues that would incite one class of our people against the other.

In my time I have met some good and bad industrialists. I have met some good and bad financiers, but I have also met some good and bad laborers, and this I know, that permanent prosperity is dependent upon both capital and labor alike.

And I also know that there can be no permanent prosperity in this country until industry is able to employ labor, and there certainly can be no permanent recovery upon any governmental theory of "soak the rich" or "soak the poor." . .

A GOVERNMENT BY BUREAUCRATS

The next thing that I view as being dangerous to our national well-being is government by bureaucracy instead of what we have been taught to look for, government by law.

Just let me quote something from the President's message to Congress:

"In 34 months we have built up new instruments of public power in the hands of the people's government. This power is wholesome and proper, but in the hands of political puppets of an economic autocracy, such power would provide shackles for the liberties of our people."

Now I interpret that to mean, if you are going to have an autocrat, take me; but be very careful about the other fellow.

There is a complete answer to that, and it rises in the minds of the great rank and file, and that answer is just this: We will never in this country tolerate any laws that provide shackles for our people.

We don't want any autocrats, either in or out of office. We wouldn't even take a good one.

The next danger that is apparent to me is the vast building up of new bureaus of government, draining resources of our people in a common pool of redistributing them, not by any process of law, but by the whim of a bureaucratic autocracy.

THE 1932 PLATFORM

Well now, what am I here for? I am here not to find fault. Anybody can do that. I am here to make suggestions. What would I have my party do? I would have them reestablish and redeclare the principles that they put forth in that 1932 platform. .

The Republican platform was ten times as long. It was stuffy, it was unreadable, and in many points, not understandable. No Administration in the history of the country came into power with a more simple, a more clear, or a more inescapable mandate than did the party that was inaugurated on the Fourth of March in 1933.

And listen, no candidate in the history of the country ever pledged himself more unequivocally to his party platform than did the President who was inaugurated on that day.

Well, here we are!

Millions and millions of Democrats just like myself, all over the country, still believe in that platform. And what we want to know is why it wasn't carried out.

Now, let us wander for awhile and let's take a look at that platform, and let's see what happened to it. Here is how it started out:

"We believe that a party platform is a covenant with the people, to be faithfully kept by the party when entrusted with power, and that the people are entitled to know in plain words the terms of contract to which they are asked to subscribe.

"The Democratic Party solemnly promises by appropriate action to put into effect the principles, policies and reforms herein advocated and to eradicate the political methods and practices herein condemned."

My friends, these are what we call fighting words. At the time that that platform went through the air and over the wire, the people of the United States were in the lowest possible depths of despair, and the Democratic platform looked to them like the star of hope; it looked like the rising sun in the East to the mariner on the bridge of a ship after a terrible night.

But what happened to it?

ECONOMY IN GOVERNMENT

First plank: "We advocate immediate and drastic reduction of governmental expenditures by abolishing useless commissions and offices, consolidating departments and bureaus, and eliminating extravagance to accomplish a saving of not less than 25 per cent in the cost of the Federal Government."

Well, now, what is the fact? No offices were consolidated, no bureaus were eliminated, but on the other hand, the alphabet was exhausted. The creation of new departments -- and this is sad news for the taxpayer -- the cost, the ordinary cost, what we refer to as housekeeping cost, over and above all emergencies -- that ordinary housekeeping cost of government is greater today than it has ever been in any time in the history of the republic.

THE UNBALANCED BUDGET

Another plank: "We favor maintenance of the national credit by a Federal budget annually balanced on the basis of accurate Federal estimate within revenue."

How can you balance a budget if you insist upon spending more money than you take in? Even the increased revenue won't go to balance the budget, because it is hocked before you receive it. What is worse than that? .

THE MIDDLE CLASS WILL PAY THE DEBT

Now here is something that I want to say to the rank and file. There are three classes of people in this country; there are the poor and the rich, and in between the two is what has often been referred to as the great backbone of America, that is the plain fellow.

That is the fellow that makes from one hundred dollars a month up to the man that draws down five or six thousand dollars a year.

Now, there is a great big army. Forget the rich; they can't pay this debt. If you took everything they have away from them, they couldn't pay it; they ain't got enough. There is no use talking about the poor; they will never pay it, because they have nothing.

This debt is going to be paid by that great big middle class that we refer to as the backbone and the rank and file, and the sin of it is they ain't going to know that they are paying it. It is going to come to them in the form of indirect and hidden taxation. It will come to them in the cost of living, in the cost of clothing, in the cost of every activity that they enter into, and because it is not a direct tax, they won't think they're paying, but, take it from me, they are going to pay it!

WHAT ABOUT STATES' RIGHTS?

Another plank: "We advocate the extension of Federal credit to the States to provide unemployment relief where the diminishing resources of the State make it impossible for them to provide for their needs."

That was pretty plain. That was a recognition in the national convention of the rights of the States. But how is it interpreted? The Federal Government took over most of the relief problems, some of them useful and most of them useless. They started out to prime the pump for industry in order to absorb the ranks of the unemployed, and at the end of three years their employment affirmative policy is absolutely nothing better than the negative policy of the Administration that preceded it.

"We favor unemployment and old age insurance under State laws."

Now let me make myself perfectly clear so that no demagogue or no crack-pot in the next week or so will be able to say anything about my attitude on this kind of legislation. I am in favor of it. And I take my hat off to no man in the United States on the question of legislation beneficial to the poor, the weak, the sick, or the afflicted, or women and children

Because why? I started out a quarter of a century ago when I had very few followers in my State, and during that period I advocated, fought for, introduced as a legislator and finally as Governor for eight long years, signed more progressive legislation in the interest of the men, women and children than any man in the State of New York.

UNCONSTITUTIONAL MEASURE -- UNFULFILLED PLEDGES

And the sin of this whole thing, and the part of it that worries me and gives me concern, is that this haphazard, hurry-up passage of legislation is never going to accomplish the purposes for which it was designed and -- bear this in mind, follow the platform -- under State laws.

Another one: "We promise the removal of Government from all fields of private enterprise except where necessary to develop public works and national resources in the common interest."

NRA! A vast octopus set up by government, that wound its arms around all the business of the country, paralyzed big business, and choked little business to death.

Did you read in the papers a short time ago where somebody said that business was going to get a breathing spell?

What is the meaning of that? And where did that expression arise?

I'll tell you where it comes from. It comes from the prize ring. When the aggressor is punching the head off the other fellow he suddenly takes compassion on him and he gives him a breathing spell before he delivers the knockout wallop.

WASTEFUL EXTRAVAGANCE

Here is another one: "We condemn the open and covert resistance of administrative officials to every effort made by congressional committees to curtail the extravagant expenditures of Government and improvident subsidies granted to private interests."

Now, just between ourselves, do you know any administrative officer that has tried to stop Congress from appropriating money? Do you think there has been any desire on the part of Congress to curtail appropriations?

Why, not at all. The fact is that Congress threw them right and left -- didn't even tell what they were for.

And the truth, further, is that every administrative officer sought to get all that he possibly could in order to expand the activities of his own office and throw the money of the people right and left. And as to subsidies, why, never at any time in the history of this or any other country were there so many subsidies granted to private groups, and on such a huge scale.

The fact of the matter is that most of the cases now pending before the United States Supreme Court revolve around the point whether or not it is proper for Congress to tax all the people to pay subsidies to a particular group.

Here is another one: "We condemn the extravagance of the Farm Board, its disastrous action which made the Government a speculator of farm products, and the unsound policy of restricting agricultural products to the demand of domestic markets." . .

What about the restriction of our agricultural products and the demands of the market? Why, the fact about that is that we shut out entirely the farm market, and by plowing under corn and wheat and the destruction of foodstuffs, food from foreign countries has been pouring into our American markets -- food that should have been purchased by us from our own farmers.

In other words, while some of the countries of the Old World were attempting to drive the wolf of hunger from the doormat, the United States flew in the face of God's bounty and destroyed its own foodstuffs. There can be no question about that.

Now I could go on indefinitely with some of the other planks. They are unimportant, and the radio time will not permit it. But just let me sum up this way. Regulation of the Stock Exchange and the repeal of the Eighteenth Amendment, plus one or two minor planks of the platform that in no way touch the daily life of our people, have been carried out, but the balance of the platform was thrown in the wastebasket. About that there can be no question.

Let's see how it was carried out. Make a test for yourself. Just get the platform of the Democratic Party, and get the platform of the Socialist Party, and lay them down on your dining room table, side by side, and get a heavy lead pencil and scratch out the word "Democrat," and scratch out the word "Socialist," and let the two platforms lay there.

Then study the record of the present Administration up to date. After you have done that, make your mind up to pick up the platform that more nearly squares with the record, and you will put your hand on the Socialist platform. You don't dare touch the Democratic platform.

DEMOCRATIC OR SOCIALISTIC?

And incidentally, let me say, that it is not the first time in recorded history, that a group of men have stolen the livery of the church to do the work of the devil.

Now, after studying this whole situation, you will find that that is at the bottom of all our troubles. This country was organized on the principles of representative democracy, and you can't mix Socialism or Communism with that. They are like oil and water; they refuse to mix.

And incidentally, let me say to you, that is the reason why the United States Supreme Court is working overtime throwing the alphabet out of the window -- three letters at a time.

Now I am going to let you in on something else. How do you suppose all this happened? Here is the way it happened. The young Brain Trusters caught the Socialists in swimming and they ran away with their clothes.

Now, it is all right with me. It is all right to me if they want to disguise themselves as Norman Thomas or Karl Marx, or Lenin, or any of the rest of that bunch, but what I won't stand for is to let them march under the banner of Jefferson, Jackson, or Cleveland.

"WE CAN TAKE A WALK"

Now what is worrying me, where does that leave me as a Democrat? My mind is now fixed upon the Convention in June, in Philadelphia. The committee on resolutions is about to report, and the preamble to the platform is:

"We, the representatives of the Democratic Party in Convention assembled, heartily endorse the Democratic Administration."

What happens to the disciples of Jefferson and Jackson and Cleveland when that resolution is read out? Why, for us it is a washout. There is only one of two things we can do. We can either take on the mantle of hypocrisy or we can take a walk, and we will probably do the latter.

Now leave the platform alone for a little while. What about this attack that has been made upon the fundamental institutions of this country? Who threatens them, and did we have any warning of this threat? Why, you don't have to study party platforms. You don't have to read books. You don't have to listen to professors of economics. You can find the whole thing incorporated in the greatest declaration of political principles that ever came from the hands of man, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States.

CONSTITUTIONAL LIMITATIONS

Always have in your minds that the Constitution and the first ten amendments to it were drafted by refugees and by sons of refugees, by men with bitter memories of European oppression and hardship, by men who brought to this country and handed down to their descendants an abiding fear of the bitterness and all the hatred of the Old World was distilled in our Constitution into the purest democracy that the world has ever known.

There are just three principles, and in the interest of brevity, I will read them. I can read them quicker than talk them.

"First, a Federal Government, strictly limited in its power, with all other powers except those expressly mentioned reserved to the States and to the people, so as to insure State's rights, guarantee home rule, and preserve freedom of individual initiative and local control."

That is simple enough. The difference between the State constitutions and the Federal. Constitution is that in the State you can do anything you want to do provided it is not prohibited by the Constitution. But in the Federal Government, according to that government, you can do only that which that Constitution tells you that you can do.

What is the trouble? Congress has overstepped its bounds. It went beyond that Constitutional limitation, and it has enacted laws that not only violate the home rule and the State's right principle -- and who says that? Do I say it? Not at all. That was said by the United States Supreme Court in the last ten or twelve days.

CHORUS OF YES-MEN IN CONGRESS

Secondly, the Government, with three independent branches, Congress to make the laws, the Executive to execute them, the Supreme Court, and so forth. You know that.

In the name of Heaven, where is the independence of Congress? Why, they just laid right down. They are flatter on the Congressional floor than the rug on the table here. They surrendered all of their powers to the Executive, and that is the reason why you read in the newspapers references to Congress as the Rubber Stamp Congress.

We all know that the most important bills were drafted by the Brain Trusters, and sent over to Congress and passed by Congress without consideration, without debate and, without meaning any offense at all to my Democratic brethren in Congress, I think I can safely say without 90 per cent of them knowing what was in the bills.

That was the meaning of the list that came over, and besides certain bills were "Must." What does that mean? Speaking for the rank and file of American people we don't want any executive to tell Congress what it must do, and we don't want any Congress or the Executive jointly or severally to tell the United States Supreme Court what it must do!

And further than that, we don't want the United States Supreme Court to tell either of them what they must do.

What we want, and what we insist upon, and what we are going to have is the absolute preservation of this balance of power which is the keystone, the arch upon which the whole theory of democratic government has got to rest. When you rattle that you rattle the whole structure.

Of course, when our forefathers wrote the Constitution of the United States it couldn't be possible that they had it in their minds that it was going to be all right for all time to come. So they said, "Now, we will provide a manner and method of amending it."

That is set forth in the document itself, and during our national life we amended it many times.

We amended it once by mistake, and we corrected it. What did we do? We took the amendment out. Fine, that is the way we want to do it, by recourse to the people.

But we don't want an Administration that takes a shot at it in the dark and that ducks away from it and dodges away from it and tries to put something over in contradiction of it upon any theory that there is going to be a great public howl in favor of that something; possibly the United States Supreme Court may be intimidated into a friendly opinion with respect to it.

What I have held all during my public life is that Almighty God is with this country, and He didn't give us that kind of Supreme Court.

Now this is pretty tough on me to have to go at my own party this way, but I submit that there is a limit to blind loyalty.

As a young man in the Democratic Party, I witnessed the rise and fall of Bryan and Bryanism, and I know exactly what Bryan did to our party. I knew how long it took to build it after he got finished with it. But let me say this to the everlasting credit of Bryan and the men that followed him, they had the nerve and the courage and honesty to put into the platform just what their leaders stood for. And they further put the American people into a position of making an intelligent choice when they went to the polls.

Why, the fact of this whole thing is -- I speak now not only of the executive but of the legislature at the same time -- that they promised one set of things; they repudiated that promise, and they launched off on a program of action totally different.

Well, in 25 years of experience I have known both parties to fail to carry out some of the planks in their platform. But this is the first time that I have known a party, upon such a huge scale, not only not to carry out the plank, but to do the directly opposite thing to what they promised.

SUGGESTED REMEDIES

Now, suggestions, and I make these as a Democrat anxious for the success of my party, and I make them in good faith.

No. 1: I suggest to the members of my party on Capitol Hill here in Washington that they take their minds off the Tuesday that follows the first Monday in November. Just take their minds off it to the end that you may do the right thing and not the expedient thing.

Next, I suggest to them that they dig up the 1932 platform from the grave that they buried it in, read it over, and study it, breathe life into it, and follow it in legislative and executive action, to the end that they make good their promises to the American people when they put forth that platform and the candidate that stood upon it 100 per cent. In short, make good!

Next, I suggest to them that they stop compromising with the fundamental principles laid down by Jackson and Jefferson and Cleveland.

Fourth: Stop attempting to alter the form and structure of our Government without recourse to the people themselves as provided in their own Constitution. This country belongs to the people, and it doesn't belong to any Administration.

Next, I suggest that they read their Oath of Office to support the Constitution of the United States. And I ask them to remember that they took that oath with their hands on the Holy Bible, thereby calling upon God Almighty Himself to witness their solemn promise. It is bad enough to disappoint us.

WASHINGTON OR MOSCOW

Sixth: I suggest that from this moment they resolve to make the Constitution the Civil Bible of the United States, and pay it the same civil respect and reverence that they would religiously pay the Holy Scripture, and I ask them to read from the Holy Scripture the Parable of the Prodigal Son and to follow his example.

Stop! Stop wasting your substance in a foreign land, and come back to your Father's house.

Now, in conclusion let me give this solemn warning. There can be only one Capitol, Washington or Moscow!

There can be only one atmosphere of government, tl1e clear, pure, fresh air of free America, or the foul breath of Communistic Russia.

There can be only one flag, the Stars and Stripes, or the Red Flag of the Godless Union of the Soviet.

There can be only one National Anthem. The Star Spangled Banner or the Internationale.

There can be only one victor. If the Constitution wins, we win. But if the Constitution -- stop. Stop there. The Constitution can't lose! The fact is, it has already won, but the news has not reached certain ears.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alfredesmith; alsmith; fdr; franklindroosevelt; newyork; nothirdterm; prohibition; wet

1 posted on 10/21/2001 11:12:41 AM PDT by LiberalBuster
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To: LiberalBuster
Great Read. FDR was IMO, the WORST president we ever had.
2 posted on 10/21/2001 11:18:38 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: LiberalBuster
bump
to read later
3 posted on 10/21/2001 11:21:33 AM PDT by Fiddlstix
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To: Dan from Michigan
For years, Dan, the Republicans have been "stealing" the Democrat "heroes," particularly FDR and HST. Even Goldwater and Reagan foolishly claimed that HST was the "greatest" president of the century. Yet it was HST who so mishandled Korea that he had a 24 percent job approval rating in 1952, low enough to convince Harry that the best case scenario for him was that only a few people were even "mild about Harry." Nixon even went so far as to rate the hapless Woodrow Wilson as the "greatest" president. Never, however, did the Republicans embrace a real Democrat hero like Al Smith. And I have yet to find the Democrats promote any Republican "heroes," other than Lincoln. In fact, most Democrats today will you tell you point-blank that Lincoln was a Democrat. They could have been absent the day the teacher taught that Lincoln was the first elected Republican president. Of course, in today's PC curriculum "it" may not "say" that Lincoln was a Republican!
5 posted on 10/21/2001 11:26:12 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Fiddlstix
bttt
6 posted on 10/21/2001 11:28:07 AM PDT by Niagara
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To: LiberalBuster
Would anyone care to tell this lazy lurker what that said?
7 posted on 10/21/2001 11:29:44 AM PDT by Johnny Shear
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To: LiberalBuster
I think I will send this to my Democrat Congressman. I have been debating with him for years and he has just enough sense that I think I might reach him unlike my two Senators who are clueless. The part about the tenth amendment and limited government is what I have been working on.
8 posted on 10/21/2001 11:32:07 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: LiberalBuster
Good read. Al Smith's alarm at FDR no doubt struck a chord with many others. The 1940 Republican Party candidate, Wendell Wilkie, had actually been a lifelong midwest DEMOCRAT up until FDR's reign. Wilkie was a business owner who ended up bogged down in all the federal regulations that he brought several lawsuits against new deal programs, then switched to the Republican party and became their suprise nominee.

Unfortunately, all these facts will no doubt fall on deaf ears for some freepers who INSIST the Democrats were the "true" conservative party back when the south voted 'RAT. FDR got over 90% of the vote in some so-called "conservative" southern states, but the co-alition of midwestern and western Republicans almost defeated him.

9 posted on 10/21/2001 11:34:29 AM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: Free the USA
**BUMP**
10 posted on 10/21/2001 11:36:31 AM PDT by TwoStep
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To: Theodore R.
>> I have yet to find the Democrats promote any Republican "heroes," other than Lincoln. In fact, most Democrats today will you tell you point-blank that Lincoln was a Democrat. They could have been absent the day the teacher taught that Lincoln was the first elected Republican president. Of course, in today's PC curriculum "it" may not "say" that Lincoln was a Republican! <<

So tell me, if FDR was the second coming of Lincoln, why did the "conservative" southern states overwheming vote AGAINST Lincoln but then vote overwhemingly FOR Roosevelt? Does that sound consistant?

This article just proves the bulls--t you hear on this forum everyday that "the Democrats were the conservative party until Johnson took over in the 60s and then the south switched parties...blah blah blah"

11 posted on 10/21/2001 11:37:53 AM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: Dan from Michigan
Was that Al Smith in 1936 or Ron Paul in 2001? Great find.
13 posted on 10/21/2001 11:42:07 AM PDT by folklore
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To: Theodore R.
No mention of FDR packing the Supreme Court? The Judicial Branch, IMO, has never recovered from that invasion.
14 posted on 10/21/2001 11:43:04 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: LiberalBuster
Contemporarily,every TV talking head ,every media pundit-columnist, every liberal newspaper editorial , and every socialistically inclined politician appearing on ,or writing for the above, would quickly accuse Al Smith, Democrat , of lacking the proper gravitas to be president...
15 posted on 10/21/2001 11:43:21 AM PDT by prognostigaator
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To: Common Tator
This ping's for you............
16 posted on 10/21/2001 11:43:50 AM PDT by RobFromGa
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To: Johnny Shear
"Would anyone care to tell this lazy lurker what that said?"

Can't.

It was coded so you wouldn't understand it.

Sorry.

17 posted on 10/21/2001 11:46:28 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: BillyBoy; LiberalBuster
"Unfortunately, all these facts will no doubt fall on deaf ears....."

Sad but true.

Excellent post and comments.

My thanks to you both.

18 posted on 10/21/2001 11:52:19 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: TwoStep
1940 election results


ROOSEVELT (D) STATES IN RED
WILIKIE (R) STATES IN BLUE

ROOSVELT (D) % OF THE POPULAR VOTE-- SOUTHERN STATES
Alabama 85.22%
Arkansas 78.44%
Florida 73.99%
Georgia 84.81%
Kentucky 57.45%
Louisiana 85.88%
Maryland 58.26%
Mississippi 95.70%
Missouri 52.27%
North Carolina 74.03%
South Carolina 95.63%
Tennessee 67.25%
Virginia 68.08%
West Virginia 57.10%

ROOSVELT (D) % OF POPULAR VOTE-- NORTHWESTERN STATES
Colorado 48.37%
Idaho 54.36%
Iowa 47.62%
Kansas 42.40%
Montana 58.78%
North Dakota 44.18%
South Dakota 42.59%
Nebraska 42.81
Wyoming 52.82%

In modern times, the two most "conservative" regions of the country are considered the old south and the rural northwest. If you compare the 1940 election results to the 2000 election 60 years later, you will find little change in the northwest-- several of though states gave conservative Republicans almost 60% or more-- as they do today. However, you will see that the "conservative" southern states have flipped 180o since that time. They went from solidly supporting liberal Democrats to solidly supporting conservative Republicans. The only southern states that remotingly shared their 2000 voted pattern with their 1940 pattern was the ones in the "border" areas that were NOT very supportive of local Democrats in the civil war to begin with. So why is that most southern states changed THEIR voting patterns when the other traditional "conservative" states (Idaho, Nebraska, Indiana, etc.) did not?

It's because the REGIONS of America have altered their idelogy over the past century, NOT the political party's altering theirs (IF the party's had changed ideology, the north and midwest would have switched from DemocRAT to GOP too) For at least 100 years, the socialist wing of the 'RAT party has been far more powerful than the "liberal" wing of the GOP, much to the dismay of "moderates" like Alf Smith. Every once in a while, the Democrats nominate a conservative member the GOP nominates a liberal one. But this doesn't change their behavior as a whole.

19 posted on 10/21/2001 12:03:35 PM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: LiberalBuster
Wow. That's such a gem I'm actually BOOKMARKING it! Good job!
20 posted on 10/21/2001 12:15:28 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Dan from Michigan; Flashlight
Great Read. FDR was IMO, the WORST president we ever had.

FDR was the first in line of three presidents who helped to move our nation towards socialism. The second was LBJ who was FDR's point man and protege. LBJ capitalized on what FDR had begun. The Great Society put a deadlocking economic strain our nation that we are STILL trying to fend off. It was Clinton who tried to polish all of the work of FDR and LBJ. If it weren't for our Republican Congress in 1994, we'd be in a whole lot of hurt today.

21 posted on 10/21/2001 12:20:55 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: prognostigaator
Actually, there were those who thought Smith lacked "gravitas" and was an "uneducated buffoon." He dropped out of public school at 15 to work in the Fulton Fish Market; so his subsequent education was self-taught.
22 posted on 10/21/2001 12:29:26 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: BillyBoy
Well, it's a party thing -- D and R means a lot to many. Lincoln was viewed in the South as an evil "northern aggressor" who usurped the Constitution to halt secession. FDR was seen as a good-natured patrician who loved the "common man" and who would give the people "freedom from want" and "freedom from fear." FDR successfully painted the Republicans as "economic royalists" and "uncaring" for the little guy. Naturally, the South (and the rest of the country) bought the FDR line.
23 posted on 10/21/2001 12:33:09 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: BillyBoy
Thanks for posting this great map!

I find it amazing how many of the children, grandchildren and even great grandchildren of the states below are still what I call FDR demonicrats. They still believe that FDR was the second coming and in some cases the first coming! Their love of socialism and blind loyalty to FDR is truly a sect religion! They would die before voting for a republican!

ROOSVELT (D) % OF THE POPULAR VOTE-- SOUTHERN STATES Alabama 85.22% Arkansas 78.44% Florida 73.99% Georgia 84.81% Kentucky 57.45% Louisiana 85.88% Maryland 58.26% Mississippi 95.70% Missouri 52.27% North Carolina 74.03% South Carolina 95.63% Tennessee 67.25% Virginia 68.08% West Virginia 57.10%

24 posted on 10/21/2001 12:37:30 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: BillyBoy
Agree partly.

The South has struck me as socially conservative, but economically liberal. That is starting to change more now.

In the late 1800's, there was a split with the Republicans. There were a new branch that were gaining more influence. They were I believe considered "Liberal Republicans". Liberal then meant Lockean Liberal, or is today known Classical Liberal. Largly libertarian. The other branches were the Thaddeus Stevens Radicals, Free-Soilers(out west) and then were the Old Whigs, Temperence, "Know-Nothings", and such from the Northeast Protestants.

The democrats were dominated by the Old South and Catholics(in response to Know Nothings), especially the Irish.

I think that Wilson was the dem that really started to tilt left. Cleveland if I remember right, was very conservative. Coolege was a rarity, a Mass Conservative.

25 posted on 10/21/2001 12:41:48 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: folklore
Was that Al Smith in 1936 or Ron Paul in 2001? Great find.

Very true. Either way, it is NOT part of eitherof today's Republican or Democratic parties, is it?

26 posted on 10/21/2001 12:45:51 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: LiberalBuster
Thanks for the research and this great post!

Of course FDR could not have been elected 4 times if not for the Ny Slimes, Washington Compost and the other left wing newspapers who spiked the truth about FDR, destroyed his enemies like Al Smith and republicans! They were very eager for FDR to destroy our constitution on daily basis, and they backed FDR whenever he shredded our constitution!

Then these left wing extremist newspapers spawned the various tv networks. The left wing editors of the Slimes and Compost determined the Sunday morning topics for the screaming heads. There was a token conservative who was paid well to be the schill, and he was attacked by 3-5 left wing screaming heads. By doing this they killed the 10 commandments, made God a bad word as well as organized religion, made the inner cities into crime centers as they unarmed the good people with the scare of the Saturday Night Special, made those who opposed abortion the evil people, made the strident gay life style the icon while hammering the heterosexuals who preferred marriage. Each Sunday, the country was showed to be ugly and vile, and only the diverse perverts where the way to go! The nightly tv left wingers who presided over phoney tv news were hand picked to seduce, calm and to lie to us every night under the guise of news. Again the topics/editorials were determined by those who owned the left wing fish wraps throughout the county. The Slimes and Compost were the big controllers of the left propaganda posing as nightly news!

This went on basically unchallenged except for 8 years of Reagan and the 1994 election of a Republican majority in congress. Without Reagan those conservative Republicans, we might not be here as a country. We would have been a socialist and politically correct second or third world disgrace!

27 posted on 10/21/2001 12:51:10 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: LiberalBuster
I recently read a book entitled "FDR & the New Dealers' War" by Thomas Fleming. I highly recommend it. Not only was he a socialist, he was an evil man. One has to read how FDR knew ahead of time that Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor, how FDR handed eastern Europe to Russia on a silver platter, how many Russian spies there were in his administration and Truman's, read about how many in the German military knew the war was a lost cause and wanted to surrender and FDR's absolute opposition to that--he wanted to drive Germany into the ground, how he knew full well about the death camps and what the Nazis were doing to the Jews. I could go on and on, but the bottom line is that FDR was an arrogant, self-serving evil bastard.
28 posted on 10/21/2001 12:57:42 PM PDT by appleton14
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To: Eagle Eye
So, that is why my Senator (Byrd) is shaking. He is still mad at Al Smith. LOL.
29 posted on 10/21/2001 1:01:38 PM PDT by folklore
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To: Slyfox
Don't forget Woodrow Wilson. His adminstration gave us the League of Nations, the Federal Reserve Bank and the Income Tax. FDR followed suit with a host of unconstitutional federal programs. In 1943, he implemented "payroll withholding," a monster that still haunts Americans every payday.

This country ceased to be a constitutional republic many years ago. We remain in a steady state of decline, even under the current administration. Bush's new Homeland Security Agency is merely another nail in the coffin of this once-great Republic.

30 posted on 10/21/2001 1:09:48 PM PDT by Un-PC
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To: Un-PC
Yeah, but with all that FDR, LBJ and Clinton did, Wilson really only managed to get his foot in the door.

We remain in a steady state of decline

We were being bled to death until Ronald Reagan became President. He did so much good for this country that Clinton could not finish us off.

31 posted on 10/21/2001 1:58:42 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Dan from Michigan
FDR was IMO, the WORST president we ever had.

Truly. He did great and lasting damage to this country and its founding principles. But the damage was so insidious, that today even Republicans argue not about whether wealth-redistribution programs are unconstitutional, but only that they need to be about 10 percent smaller.

Given current circumstances, we could have done much worse than George W. Bush, but that's the main reason I didn't vote for him, either.

32 posted on 10/21/2001 2:02:43 PM PDT by ihatemyalarmclock
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To: Theodore R.
A Chinese proverb says -"he who studies ten years in obscurity, will , once preferred, be known universally.."

To be nominated as a presidential candidate , Al Smith fits that category...How many others who pride themselves with 'gravitas' or feel so highly qualified as to ascribe or deny that judgement of another....

33 posted on 10/21/2001 2:26:24 PM PDT by prognostigaator
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To: Dan from Michigan
Oh, I agree that Wilson got the 'RATS to govern as left-wing on the national level. Roosvelt completed the socialist-control over the national Democrats 20 years later, when he actually intergrated key planks of the Socialist Party platform (then headed by Norman Thomas) into his party platform. The Socialists were running a strong 3rd party competition back then and taking votes from the Democrats. After FDR sucessfully merged the socialist ideals into the Democrats, the socialist party was basically complacent and disappeared.

As for Wilson, you won't hear a lot from him on this forum from southerners because Wilson grew up in Virgina at the end of the civil war. One of his earliest memories was seeing Jefferson Davis being taken away by the union army. Wilson was a proud confederate and really loathed Lincoln most of his life, so the Lincoln-haters on FreeRepublic don't want to admit that one of their own actually passed most of the federal laws they're trying to blame Lincoln for (example: the "income tax" that Lincoln passed was temporary and always designed that way, whereas the income tax Wilson gave us was permanate and specifically designed to stay in place today, which happened)

I would also point out that the socialists in the Democratic Party had control of many local organizations before Wilson brought it to the national level. The Illinois Democrats were undoubtedly socialist-leaning in the 19th century. Our governor in the 1890s was a fellow named John Peter Altgeld . Historians actually rank his as one of the two most liberal governors we've even had, perhaps even worse than Otto Kerner (a Daley-machine canddiate and FDR clone in the 1960s who went to prison for massive corruption). Altgeld was the notorius Chicago judge who controlled a giant labor union movement and sided with the infamous haymarket strikers. He passed so much state "regulations" over business that he was overwhemingly defeated in the next election by a conservative Republican. As you mentioned, President Clevland controlled the national wing of the Democratic party, and despised Altgeld. However, Altgeld had a lot of influence over the party leaders and definitely got the party to nominate more liberal candidates. Clevland wouldn't endorce his own party's nominee (William J. Bryan) to suceed him because the guy was far-left on economic issues. Cleveland endorced the Republican party nominee (McKinley), because he considered him a "sound money man".

Finally, I should point out that the GOP in the 19th century took a while to find it's ideological focus. It really started out as a single-issue party in 1854 who's sole plank was opposition to the spread of the slavery. Thus, every anti-slavery person, REGUARDLESS of the ideology, joined the GOP. Conservatives, Liberals, Libertarians, centrists, and Pat Buchanan style right-wing "populists" (the Know-Nothing who joined the GOP) were all aboard early on. The party ran a very liberal candidate in it's first presidential election (John Fremont), and he worried people because he was consided a "radical". The responce in the next election was to try and find a middle-of-the-road Republican, and the result was Abraham Lincoln (far from the "marxist" paint that the hate-Lincoln crowd tries to paint him as). With the "radical" (liberal) Republcians kicked out of the party during recostruction, I believe conservatives had marginal control over the GOP by 1876 and have held on to it (with a few exceptions) even since then. When the GOP strayed from it's norm in the late 1880s and once again nominated a libearl Republican ('progressive' James G. Blaine), the conservative Republicans abandoned their party and used enough influence to talk the Democrats into selected a conservative that they would vote for (Cleveland). Conservative Republcians were certainly a reconizable force in the 19th century, they were known as "Mugwumps".

So, IMO, this is why we should ignore freepers who scream that the Republicans were the "liberal" party and the Democrats were the "conservative" party only a generation ago. Most of these so-called "historians" are just citing something their yellow-dog Democrat granddaddy told them. The south may have broke with the Democrats in the 60s and 70s because they were socialists, but alot of the nation figured that out long ago. ;-)

P.S. Franklin Roosevelt was the Dem party nominee for VICE President in 1920, so Al Smith's nomination in 1928 was certianly the exception rather than the rule.

34 posted on 10/21/2001 9:14:48 PM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: Slyfox
...It was Clinton who tried to polish all of the work of FDR and LBJ...

Oh yeah, I remember the health-care fiasco.

(side note: I remember how it was going to be "paid for": "Employers" maybe 80 percent, don't remember exactly, and maybe 20 percent by "employees". just like social security is paid for 50 percent each. Of course, anyone with a brain should be able to quicky realize that in each case the "employee" pays for 100%, and the "employer" just mails the IRS a check which is part of the employee's earned compensation.)

You're right in that the Republican congress saved us (certainly with respect to the budget, anyway), but the health-care thing was killed before that, by the Democrats. The reason was that the Clintons were so incompetent that even the Dems coudn't support their plans.

My opinion is that the Clintons tried to expand the FDR-LBJ stuff purely as a means to getting and weilding power, but they found that it wasn't working and switched to the Dick Morris/triangulation srategey, which allowed them to remain in office (and if Clinton had just ignored that one intern, we'd have President Gore now, and I don't like to think about what that would mean.)

35 posted on 10/21/2001 11:56:29 PM PDT by Flashlight
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To: LiberalBuster
bump
36 posted on 10/22/2001 9:22:00 AM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: LiberalBuster
Bump for later reading.
37 posted on 10/22/2001 9:39:16 AM PDT by Bump in the night
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To: LiberalBuster
Gary "OJ" Condit is a democrat. For victory & freedom!!!
38 posted on 10/22/2001 9:43:10 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: Johnny Shear
Would anyone care to tell this lazy lurker what that said?
Since you're lazy just go back and read the headers as platform principles. Ol' Al Smith sounds like a Zell Miller democrat. Frankly, I'd be a democrat if they truly fought for these changes. The pubbies don't. :-(
39 posted on 01/01/2006 9:47:17 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Note: this topic is from 10/21/2001. Thanks LiberalBuster, whomever you were.
Alfred E. Smith, Democratic governor of New York during four terms, became the Democratic candidate for President in 1928 but lost to Herbert Hoover. In 1932 he supported Franklin D. Roosevelt for President, but by 1936 he was so shocked and alarmed by what he saw happening that he decided to warn his Party. Because of the popularity of President Roosevelt this step was considered by some to be virtual treason. Nevertheless, on January 25, 1936, Alfred F. Smith gave the following speech in Washington, D.C., to warn the American people that the Democratic Party was being betrayed.
Al Smith was rejected because he a "wet"; FDR was swept into office due to the failures of the Hoover administration. Smith couldn't have been in favor of a third and then fourth term (Smith died October 4, 1944) for FDR -- oldtimers who are old enough remember the "No 3rd Term" and "No 4th Term" buttons from 1940 and 1944 know that it was a fairly important issue. Of course, there was "FDR for Life" attitude evident across the country as well. They got their wish.


40 posted on 10/12/2013 1:57:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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http://www.donnneal.com/smithbio.html

[snip] Smith won the New York governorship in 1918 and set about reorganizing the state’s government. Narrowly defeated in the Republican landslide in 1920, Smith spent two years in business before accepting renomination in 1922. Reelected in that year, again in 1924, and for the last time in 1926, Smith left a lasting mark on New York State. His leadership there (along with his opposition to national prohibition) naturally attracted considerable attention throughout the United States. Smith was a candidate for president in both 1920 and 1924. In the latter year, his candidacy served as a vehicle by which the Eastern, ethnic, wet portion of the Democratic Party prevented the nomination of William Gibbs McAdoo during a long and turbulent convention battle that was one of the most memorable political events of the 1920s. [/snip]


41 posted on 10/12/2013 2:06:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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Heh, “William Gibbs McAdoo”...

http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=M000293

http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/mcadoo.htm

http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/tf367nb1sd/

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/mcadoo1.jpg

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/wgmcadoo-01-120304.jpg

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/mcadoo2.jpg

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/wgmcadoo-02-120304.jpg


42 posted on 10/12/2013 2:10:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: LiberalBuster; uncitizen

Bookmark for later


43 posted on 10/12/2013 2:14:25 PM PDT by uncitizen (Obamacare IS TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION)
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting, I stumbled upon this speech earlier today posted on
FB two years ago and then did a Bing search only to find it posted on FR 12 years ago, and here you are pinging everyone. Fascinating.


44 posted on 10/13/2013 9:04:38 AM PDT by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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