That's Mr. Wolfwowitz on President Bush's right.
Posted on 10/23/2001 12:17:44 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
Some dismiss it as being akin to Elvis sightings, but a few top Defense officials think Oklahoma City bomber Tim McVeigh was an Iraqi agent. The theory stems from a never-before-reported allegation that McVeigh had allegedly collected Iraqi telephone numbers. Why haven't we heard this before about the case of the executed McVeigh? Conspiracy theorists in the Pentagon think it's part of a coverup.
You ask a good question. He doesn't get egg on his face for letting a foreign govt. blow up our fed. building in our country, is one answer, but there is a better question.
What did x42 gain by pinning it all on a right wing nut job conspiracy? He even blamed Rush limbaugh.
I pray that he, Rumsfeld, the President, Vice President, Joint Chiefs are given wisdom by God and Jesus Christ and then chose to take the right course of action and follow through.
That was never at issue. I simply showed why he did what he did and what motivated him, not what influenced the nation (or in what manner).
The assault on Waco was a gun control commercial. It was supposed to show how a bunch of religious nuts were hoarding guns and were obviously "up to no good." It just didn't work out like it was planned. The locals all knew that Koresh went target shooting with the sheriff and jogging outside the compound on a regular basis. That knowledge gradually destroyed the Clinton/Reno claim that a raid was mandatory to capture Koresh. Other bogus BATF claims, such as the "meth lab" inside the compound, also eroded the credibility of the official story.
Rather than a gun control commercial, Clinton was hit with a public relations nightmare.
The OKC bombing was on the anniversary of the final Waco raid. By pinning the blame on a domestic right wing nut, Clinton could get his anti-terrorism bill passed (it had just been submitted to Congress too, interestingly enough). Had the focus been allowed to shift to a Middle-Eastern connection, then the public reaction would have been more along the lines of what we saw after 9/11/2001, when Americans bought personal firearms in record numbers and pushed a bill to roll back gun control measures against arming pilots (ie., not the direction that the Socialists in Clinton's admin wanted to go).
...I have attended conferences in Detroit, Oklahoma City, and Chicago that were attended by thousands of people yelling "Allahu Akbar" on hearing the announcement of a suicide operation against Israel. Based on the number of participants at radical Islamic conferences, the estimated membership rolls of a dozen other radical Islam groups, plus the number of subscribers to Az-Zaytuna, the Hamas publication, I assume there are at least one hundred thousand hard-core believers in militant Islamic fundamentalism. The number may actually be significantly higher.
...In December 1992 I was a correspondent with CNN and on assignment in Oklahoma City to do some interviews on another subject entirely. On Christmas Day I found myself with nothing to do. While looking for a fast-food restaurant, I passed a convention center where I saw thousands of Muslims dressed in traditional garb congregating in the streets and entering the center. At first, my own ignorance led me to think they might be extras on a movie set.
When I went inside, I discovered what was really going on. Radical groups were openly declaring themselves to be Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hizbullah, and even Gama`a Islamiya (Omar Abdel Rahman's group in Egypt). They made absolutely no effort to hide their identity or their agendas. Just going to the stalls I collected a phenomenal amount of material, some of which I have subsequently showed on national television. Alarmed, I called a FBI official in Washington to see if it was aware of their existence. I was even more shocked to discover the FBI did not know this conference was taking place."
Thanks very much for the post in reply #428.
I guarantee I will use it.
Related story on Newsmax.com
Friday, April 27, 2001 1:41 a.m. EDT
McVeigh Cites Osama Bin Laden in Letter to Fox News
A month after a former NBC News reporter went public with evidence of links between Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh and Middle Eastern terrorist Osama bin Laden, McVeigh himself has cited bin Laden in a letter to the Fox News Channel.
Responding to questions from FNC's Rita Cosby, McVeigh rejected some of the labels that have been applied to him, then tossed in the chilling reference to the notorious Muslim terrorist.
"Most of the insults are meritless and quite often absurd, so I don't pay them much attention," wrote McVeigh. "Hitler? Absurd. (Geraldo Rivera uses this same analogy, so Keating and Ashcroft are in good company!) Coward? This label would make Orwell proud – it is double think at its finest. Collateral Damage? As an American news junkie; a military man; and a Gulf War veteran, where do they think I learned that? (It sure as hell wasn't Osama Bin Laden!)"
In the next sentence, McVeigh mentioned convicted World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef, in perhaps another indication of a Middle Eastern connection to his own crime.
"For all else, I would refer you to my enclosed paper 'Hypocrisy,' and to Ramzi Yousef's statement to the court just prior to his sentencing. I filter all labels and insults thusly."
In the Jan. 8, 1998, court statement to which McVeigh referred, Yousef proclaimed, "Yes, I am a terrorist and proud of it as long as it is against the U.S. government," before being sentenced to 240 years in jail.
Last month former NBC reporter Jayna Davis told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly that compelling evidence links McVeigh to a Middle Eastern terrorist cell ultimately controlled by bin Laden.
"What we discovered, an intelligence source at one of the highest levels in the federal government later confirmed, was a Middle Eastern terrorist cell living and operating in the heart of Oklahoma City just a few miles from the Alfred P. Murrah building," Davis said.
Her NBC affiliate had located several witnesses who claimed that an Iraqi national with ties to Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard was seen in the company of McVeigh just prior to the bombing, Davis said. The Iraqi was also seen driving away from the bomb scene in a car identified by the FBI as a possible getaway vehicle.
"We have 24 sworn witness affidavits that tie seven to eight Arab men to various stages of the bombing plot from the beginning all the way to the day in which the plot was executed," the former NBC reporter told O'Reilly.
"It really is a foreign conspiracy masterminded and funded by Osama bin Laden, according to my intelligence sources," she asserted.
Davis is not alone in that belief.
In his 1999 book on the Oklahoma City tragedy, "Others Unknown," McVeigh's lawyer Stephen Jones made similar claims, citing a meeting in the early 1990s between World Trade Center bomber Yousef and McVeigh's partner, Terry Nichols, in the Philippines, which he called a "hotbed of fundamentalist Muslim activity."
Jones said his research shows that bin Laden was in the Philippines at the same time as Yousef and Nichols.
Both Jones and Davis said federal investigators were uninterested in exploring any possible Middle Eastern connection to the crime.
In his letter to Cosby, McVeigh said he decided to bomb Oklahoma City's Murrah Federal Building only after rejecting the idea of assassinating former attorney general Janet Reno and others associated with the federal government's 1993 assault on the Branch Davidian compound at Waco, Texas.
What? You mean he wasn't an associate of the vast and nefarious militia movement?
NewsMax.com
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 8:42 p.m. EST
FBI Ignored Evidence Linking Bin Laden to Oklahoma Bombing
The FBI refused to consider evidence showing Saudi terrorism mastermind Osama bin Laden assisted Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, Fox News Channel's "The O'Reilly Factor" reported tonight.
Investigative journalist Jayna Davis, formerly of KFOR in Oklahoma City, told host Bill O'Reilly that she had gathered information showing that bin Laden funded the bombing conspiracy, that Nichols had terrorist ties in the Philippines, and that an Iraqi Republican Guard member accompanied McVeigh and Nichols on the day of the bombing.
When she tried to present her information, an FBI agent in Oklahoma City seemed ready to accept it - but refused after calling a superior in Denver, Davis said.
Why would the FBI refuse even to consider such evidence - or any evidence - in this top-priority case?
"Their reasons, their motivations, that's a matter for the Department of Justice and the former attorney general," Davis said.
But that former attorney general is ... Janet Reno, noted O'Reilly. So much for finding out the truth.
Wednesday, Oct. 24, 2001
McVeigh an Iraqi Agent?
U.S. News & World Report's Washington Whispers column is always worth reading, and the Oct. 29 issue is no exception.
"Some dismiss it as being akin to Elvis sightings, but a few top Defense officials think Oklahoma City bomber Tim McVeigh was an Iraqi agent," says the magazine.
"The theory stems from a never-before-reported allegation that McVeigh had allegedly collected Iraqi telephone numbers. Why haven't we heard this before about the case of the executed McVeigh? Conspiracy theorists in the Pentagon think it's part of a coverup."
Somehow, it just doesn't work for me.
I hope I'm not repeating something that's already been posted on this very long thread (yes, this is as far as I've gotten so far), but CBS News just tried to get those tapes released, and Judge Matsche refused to unseal the sealed evidence. If I can find the article, I'll post link it, or post it if it's not already posted.
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