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Terrorists 1,000 and Enviros 5,000
Access to Energy newsletter commentary ^ | September 2001 | Dr. Art Robinson

Posted on 10/24/2001, 4:51:29 PM by maggie

Few Americans will ever forget the images of the World Trade Center towers standing with large holes at floors 96 to 103 of Tower One and floors 87 to 93 of Tower Two. As smoke poured from the holes, some of the steel columns supporting the buildings could be seen glowing orange from the heat of the fires.

While hundreds of victims had already died on the affected floors, most of the occupants, with the help of rescue personnel, were making an orderly evacuation of the buildings. Those trapped above the fire were awaiting help.

Then, to the astonishment and horror of virtually the entire American nation, both buildings fell to the ground – killing an estimated 5,000 people and destroying additional buildings nearby.

In the aftermath, numerous news reports carried a statement by one of the architects of the Trade Towers saying that he did not expect the buildings to fall. ''I designed those buildings to survive the crash of a Boeing 707" was widely quoted.

Not so widely quoted – apparently spiked by most media – was the statement, often made about the Trade Towers in the 1970s by expert in the insulation of steel building columns Herbert Levine, that ''if a fire breaks out above the 64th floor, that building will fall down.'' See ''Asbestos Could Have Saved WTC Lives'' by Steven Milloy, Fox News, September 14, 2001 at www.foxnews.com.

The Trade Tower steel columns were designed to resist fire for at least 4 hours before losing the strength required to support the buildings. Emergency plans called for this four hours to be used to evacuate the buildings. It was expected that helicopters would be used to evacuate any people trapped on the roof and to put out the blaze. Yet, Tower One collapsed after one hour and forty minutes, while Tower Two collapsed after 56 minutes of fire.

Had the towers stood for four hours, an estimated 5,000 people would still be alive and the buildings would probably still be proudly standing - with large gashes in their upper floors. Why did they fall?

The buildings fell because the thermal insulation of their supporting columns did not work properly. The now familiar photos of these columns glowing orange shortly after the attack show this. Weakened by heat, the columns buckled. As the upper floors crashed into the lower floors, all of the floors cascaded downward. The lower columns were never designed to resist hundreds of thousands of tons of material dropped on them from above.

As described in Steven Milloy's article, which also quotes Harvard University physics professor Richard Wilson, skyscrapers like the Empire State Building have their steel columns insulated with concrete – which is expensive and difficult to use. In the late 1940s, Herbert Levine invented a spray fireproofing composed of asbestos and mineral wool. This invention was instrumental in allowing the construction of large steel framed buildings.

The Trade Tower design – the one referred to as able to resist the crash of a Boeing 707 – specified the use of asbestos insulation on the supporting columns. This was used on all columns up to the 64th floors. Then, however, in 1971 when the Trade Center Towers were still under construction, New York City banned this use of asbestos.

Although Herbert Levine's company failed to get the contract for asbestos coating the steel columns of the World Trade Center, he had confidence in those who did. His opinion, however, of the jury-rigged substitute insulation used after New York City banned asbestos is equally clear. ''If a fire breaks out above the 64th floor, that building will fall down.'' His prediction of 30 years ago was tragically correct.

The demonization of asbestos, a very useful and safe substance, has been written about many times in Access to Energy. (See the searchable CD-ROM of back issues of AtE for references.) Asbestos was an early victim of junk science and enviro fear propaganda. These enviros were joined by opportunistic lawyers and businessmen who reaped large profits from the anti-asbestos pogram. There was not a shred of evidence that insulating buildings with asbestos was harmful to human health. The American economy paid the price of this wasteful campaign and, on September 11, 2001, an additional 5,000 people in the World Trade Center paid with their lives.

Enviros are popular with the media and, in the current political atmosphere, anything that seems to mitigate the culpability of the terrorists is not desired news. So, you will not be reading much about the insulation of steel columns in the World Trade Center.

Those twin Towers were symbols of American strength. They were wonderful engineering achievements. Without discounting the 6,000 tragic deaths, I expect that many millions of Americans share my own personal sense of loss – of the buildings themselves. I greatly liked those buildings.

Our world is becoming increasingly surreal. What will happen next? Will terrorists take advantage of our lack of a civil defense system and kill millions of Americans with a biological attack or a rogue nuclear weapon? Governments thrive by convincing citizens that the things they fear can only be prevented by government action. Ours is now proposing to rid the world of all terrorists – a goal that will probably only partially be met. Unfortunately, we have little real protection – only insubstantial statements about national resolve.

The United States itself can be likened to the Trade Towers. They stood magnificently above the New York skyline even after they were attacked. Unknown to their admirers, however, enviro junk science and unprincipled opportunism had weakened their infrastructures. After a while, they fell.

Now, the United States has two large holes in its New York skyline. So far, America is still standing. Many decades of unprincipled opportunism – by politicians, by unethical businessmen, and by enviros and other liars – have, however, also weakened the infrastructure of the United States. Over the coming months, we shall see how serious this weakening has become.

From the deserted lumber mills and farms of the Northwest, to the intellectual wreckage of her failed tax-financed schools and moral decay of her body politic, America's infrastructure has been badly damaged. This damage can manifest itself in all sorts of subtle ways that could lead to disaster.

Still, there is enormous good and strength in the country we have inherited. Let us hope and pray that it will be sufficient.


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I had no idea asbestos could've/would've been a good thing. According to this commentary written by a scientist, asbestos could have saved many more lives if it hadn't been banned and had been used above the 64th floor. 30 years ago, Herbert Levine, an expert in steel building column design, said that if a fire were to break out above the 64th floor, the building would fall down. Tragically, he was right.

According to this commentary, asbestos was a part of enviro fear propaganda, which opportunistic lawyers and others fed into for obvious reasons.
2 questions left in my mind, 1) EPA passed the law to ban asbestos, isn't it unconstitutional for EPA to pass laws? 2) Is asbestos really bad like I've been led to believe?

1 posted on 10/24/2001, 4:51:29 PM by maggie
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To: maggie
Thanks for the article. It makes very a very interesting read.
2 posted on 10/24/2001, 4:55:47 PM by callisto
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To: maggie
1) Yes, the EPA has been ruling by regulation for a while now. Their response to the un-Consttitutional nature of such is: So?

2) Asbestos can be bad if it gets into your lungs, just like a million other building materials. If it's just sitting there minding its own business, you're fine.

3 posted on 10/24/2001, 4:58:53 PM by El Sordo
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To: maggie
re:
"..See ''Asbestos Could Have Saved WTC Lives'' 
by Steven Milloy, Fox News, September 14, 2001....."

We're also learning now, why some people suffer from
Anthrax, and others seem to be relatively fine.

Tobacco smoke apparently conditions a person's body
to develop a natural immunity to Anthrax and other
weapons of mass destruction.

Even second-hand smoke is now claimed to be of great
value in the saving of lives.

"The smoking of two to three packs a day", claims philanthropist
R. J. Reynolds, "Can insure good health in spite of Anthrax attacks."

More research is needed, but sales of cartons have exploded
the past week, as the Nation's population lights up.

More at 11

 

</tongue in cheek>

 

4 posted on 10/24/2001, 5:02:47 PM by Deep_6
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To: maggie
"Asbestos" is a catchall term for serveral different minerals. All have EXCELLENT fire resistant and insulative properties. "SOME" of the specific minerals can cause lung cancer if a person has a high, continuing occupational exposure to it. Other of the minerals have no such cancer risk.

As usual, the eco-nutcase push was "ban'em all, for any uses", instead of following sane science and banning only those mineral forms of asbestos that actually do/did the cancer damage, implementing good safety rules for occupational exposure, and then allowing continued usage where no equivalently-performing substitutes existed.

5 posted on 10/24/2001, 5:07:41 PM by Wonder Warthog
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To: maggie
Abestos is a great insulator, and so are guns. But people keep killing the industry, so people die.
6 posted on 10/24/2001, 5:11:12 PM by lavaroise
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To: Wonder Warthog
There were construction problems from the very beginning,
with the World Trade Center. 

Inferior material was found to have been used in 
some critical areas.

The movie "Towering Inferno" was based on the lack
of sound construction principles, shoddy workmanship,
poor engineering and contractor's greed, in the construction
of the WTC.

That aside... The building withstood the impact of the
aircraft hitting it. It was the intense heat of the jet fuel
melting the beams, that took it down. No reasonable and 
normal amount of fireproofing would have prevented the
melting of those beams. 

The fuel and fumes, ran down and inside the stairwells and
casements and wire chases. Fuel fumes puddle and ignite
inside areas not designed for use. It's doubtful any fireproofing
would have been placed in those areas that go unused and are
otherwise totally inaccessible..

The quest to lay blame continues?

The terrorists were to blame. It's a fairly open and shut case.

 

7 posted on 10/24/2001, 5:20:42 PM by Deep_6
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To: maggie
Thanks, interesting read.
8 posted on 10/24/2001, 5:23:33 PM by Jaded
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To: Deep_6
Only in American can a guy like Steven Milloy become an expert on everything from asbestos to anthrax and global warming, by virtue of writing a book debunking experts.

Milloy is no more of an "expert" than the "experts" he criticizes.

9 posted on 10/24/2001, 5:30:03 PM by browardchad
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To: maggie
The subject of asbestos is complicated and I am no expert, just a careful reader of techy articles.

There are several kinds of asbestos. Prolonged oocupational exposure to one of these kinds has caused cancer in workers. However, once asbestos is in place, it will not normally leak and will not cause problems. Note that asbestos was not removed from the lower floors; probably most asbestos-removal programs have been a waste of $. I do not think there was a scientifically sound reason for abandoing its use on the upper floors.

Supposedly the asbestos sustitute used on the upper floors was tested - but it was a new product in the '70s. Would it be hard to test it after the fact? Is it still in use?

10 posted on 10/24/2001, 6:41:29 PM by Ross Amann
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To: Ross Amann
My guess is what was used in upper floors is still being used, only a guess. I have to agree with you "probably most asbestos-removal programs have been a waste of $". It bothers me when they keep going into public buildings, i..e schools, libraries, and stir that stuff up in a removal effort. Seems like better left alone.
11 posted on 10/24/2001, 8:04:35 PM by maggie
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To: Deep_6
"That aside... The building withstood the impact of the aircraft hitting it. It was the intense heat of the jet fuel melting the beams, that took it down. No reasonable and normal amount of fireproofing would have prevented the melting of those beams."

"The fuel and fumes, ran down and inside the stairwells and casements and wire chases. Fuel fumes puddle and ignite inside areas not designed for use. It's doubtful any fireproofing ould have been placed in those areas that go unused and are otherwise totally inaccessible."

Read the article--an expert in insulation technology says differently---if asbestos had been used throughout, the time to collapse would have been much longer, and a far larger number of people would have been able to escape before the collapse occurred. Sure, the building would have ultimately come down anyway, but the loss of life would have been less. The eco-nuts are responsible for the difference.

Your point about "..fireproofing in ..inaccessible areas." is irrelevant. The things needing the asbestos insulation were the STEEL SUPPORT COLUMNS. It doesn't matter wrt. the collapse if fuel/fumes went elsewhere.

12 posted on 10/24/2001, 9:15:18 PM by Wonder Warthog
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To: Deep_6
Steel support columns are always sprayed with insulation of some kind. It doesn't matter where the fire is.

NY code calls for structures to stand for at least one hour in worst case fires. I can't easily imagine a worse case.

the structure of the WTC was designed to absorb damage like a spider web. The loss of any one side of the building could not topple the structure.

Everything worked as designed.

I bet the nutballs were disappointed in the death toll.

13 posted on 10/24/2001, 9:26:59 PM by js1138
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To: js1138
re:
"..NY code calls for structures to stand for at least one
hour in worst case fires. I can't easily imagine a worse case......."

The "worst case fire" for a skyscraper did not include
two of it's floors being filled with high grade jet fuel;
it's inner pores filled with it's gasses and ignited.

Blaming it on poor construction, poor insulation, or any
other variable of construction procedure, is sheer folly.

I doubt the terrorists expected the building to fall, or
net the amount of deaths it had. Their idea of hijacking
a plane and using it as a bomb, was a fairly simple plan.
Knowing how to fly one, was the only major hurdle.

In my opinion, no amount of "security", aside from an
armed aircraft crew, will ever stop another hijacking from
happening.

And the only way to protect buildings from the unknown
variables that can destroy them, is not to build them.

Life and freedom have risks attached.
(or said simply: $hit happens)

 

Thanks

14 posted on 10/24/2001, 10:27:18 PM by Deep_6
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