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Giuliani livid with FBI
Sun-Times ^ | October 25, 2001 | Robert Novak

Posted on 10/25/2001 7:19:00 AM PDT by LiveFree2000

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To: MissAmericanPie
not yet, ok. 2008 maybe.
42 posted on 10/25/2001 9:40:38 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: Grampa Dave
Rudy would clean up the pink panty wearing

I thought J. Edgar Hoover was dead?

43 posted on 10/25/2001 9:41:48 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: prambo
As a long time defense lawyer, I can tell you the elitist temperament of the FBI and the BATF started long before Clinton's administration. They feel themselves not only above local law enforcement, but above the law itself. They are masters of testiphony, trained to distort the truth and even out and out lie in court to get around inconvenient judicial decisions, and everyone in the courtroom knows it. Some local cops do the same thing, but not on the scale the feds do it. They are also trained to talk defendants into distrusting their defense attorneys, waive their invaluable constitutional rights, and turn into confidential informants, turning a nation against itself in the war on drugs. They have a view of the rest of us akin to what the Nazis developed toward the Jews. If we smoke marijuana, or possess handguns, or criticize the status quo, we are something less than human. It is a shame that the GOP, which so often is the last bastion of hope for freedom, fails to see that its incessant feeding of the crime control establishment is eroding what little freedom we have left.
44 posted on 10/25/2001 9:57:47 AM PDT by stryker
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To: Fred Mertz
"The FBI's attitude has been that if you need to know, we'll tell you,'' one New York police source told me. That ''need'' never occurs, with the FBI adamantly against any local anti-terrorism activity. The locals, in turn, complain about the feds failing to follow important leads. "

Maybe too many "important leads" lead back to the FBI. Maybe they're "obsessed with turf" because they're doing so many things they should be ashamed of that they can't afford to let anybody know anything.

45 posted on 10/25/2001 10:30:47 AM PDT by LSJohn
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To: OKCSubmariner
FBI refusing to share vital info with need to know police authorities was a major problem in the OKC bombing investigation just like in NY City.

The most important time to control an investigation is when your own hands are dirty in the crime being investigated.

46 posted on 10/25/2001 10:33:32 AM PDT by LSJohn
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To: LiveFree2000
I hope not. The Mayor is addicted to "fame." You would soon get sick of him being on TV every few hours. He has good political skills but not the temperament to be either AG or Director of the FBI.
47 posted on 10/25/2001 11:47:42 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for the link. I live in McMinnville, Oregon and have a brother who lives in Eugene, so I am concerned.

I really have to laugh when the media talks about what a good governor Kitzhaber is! We have our economy tanking, unemployment is among the highest in the nation, the schools are terrible, roads are a joke, the state budget is bloated in areas it doesn't need money and lacking where it does. And now, our Secretary of State has been upheld in a blatantly partisan redistricting plan that will ensure that the Demoncrats will control this state for at least the next 10 years.

Oh well, at least we are finally getting some rain.

48 posted on 10/25/2001 12:38:21 PM PDT by BruceS
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To: shrinkermd
I hope not. The Mayor is addicted to "fame." You would soon get sick of him being on TV every few hours. He has good political skills but not the temperament to be either AG or Director of the FBI.

For those who may not remember, Guliani was the Federal Prosecutor for the Southern District, US Supreme Court. (NYC, more specifically Manhattan) He is singlehandedly credited with putting more Maffia Dons and underlings in jail then any Federal Prosecutor in history. Guliani may have become somehat politically oriented since those days, but he still has savvy and perseverance to do the job. Most important is the fact that he is a political renegade whose main thrust is his job, not the political ramifications of his actions. With Mueller, we have a politically correct bureaucrat that will always be crippled by his political correctness. In retrospect he was a good appointment for Bush who was looking to heal the country in a bipartison way early on in his term. Now, he (Mueller) has become a very bad choice.

The FBI. Very bad. Still crippled by the Clintonoids who control the local offices and major departments within the bureau. what the FBI needs is a purge of Reno's gang of Clinton protectors.

49 posted on 10/25/2001 12:53:19 PM PDT by richwolo
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To: BruceS
Katznslobber knows that he would lose the election for US Senator next year due to the economy and what he has brought to the Oregon economy.

About 4-5 years ago, Andy Kerr, then director of ONRC said that there were too many jobs and too many people working and living in Oregon. They had to eliminate the bad jobs and force some people to move from Oregon! Katznslobber was at that left wing enviral meeting and basically agreed!

So the last 3-4 years of his term has been aimed making businesses the evil people as well as the evil logging/wood businesses. The attempted Rural Cleansing of the Klamath Basin Farmers cost the state about $300 million in lost revenue. The closure of the aluminum factories along the Columbia River has cost close to 10,000 jobs. The evil green enviralists have just about finished off the lumber/logging business in Oregon. The Intel CEO was so po at the anti business atmosphere, he said no more Intel investments in Oregon.

Heavy duty construction companies are either going broke or leaving Oregon! Five plus years ago, Oregon had so much heavy duty construction going on, it was the hub of heavy construction on the west coast!

Your brother who lives in Eugene, know all about the anarchists who burn and destroy and live operate in the open in Eugene! ELF demanded free campus time to show how to commit terrorist activities in Portland.

Glad to hear about the rain, the state was in a full blown drought most of this year!

Be careful up there!

50 posted on 10/25/2001 12:56:53 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: LiveFree2000
I do not think the FBI are elitist, I think they are the Keystone Kops, can't do anything right since Clinton was elected.
51 posted on 10/25/2001 12:59:32 PM PDT by Texbob
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To: Grampa Dave
This is not a new FBI attitude. Rex Stout, in his fiction story "The Doorbell Rings," wrote about the arrogance of the FBI. This story was dramatized on the A & E channel Sunday evening, October 7, 2001.
52 posted on 10/25/2001 1:54:20 PM PDT by RealGem
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
If you go back far enough, you will even find a long list of old line Democrats from NYC who became staunch Republicans, including but by no means limited to Old Dan Sickles.

Really? Name some. I only remember them going the other way.

53 posted on 10/25/2001 2:02:48 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: RealGem
RG posted, "This is not a new FBI attitude. Rex Stout, in his fiction story "The Doorbell Rings," wrote about the arrogance of the FBI. This story was dramatized on the A & E channel Sunday evening, October 7, 2001

The arrogance of the FBI and not sharing data is as old as J. Edgar. (We love Nero Wolfe and enjoyed that show when it was first on and the rerun on 7 Oct..

What I'm referring to is the political correctness of today's FBI since Jake Reno and Clintooon were installed in 1993! What Rudy is referring to is as old as the agency. When they broke up organized crime in Chicago and other big cities in the 1930's. The cops were more crooked than the the organized crime people. If the FBI shared data with the cops, it was back to the crime bosses as soon as a phone call could be made. So they stopped sharing! That still can be a problem in some cities and states!

54 posted on 10/25/2001 2:20:14 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: LiveFree2000
Rudy to head the FBI - or the CIA - IMMEDIATELY!
55 posted on 10/25/2001 2:23:03 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: vbmoneyspender
Also, you should do your homework on Tammany Hall. That was a Democratic machine and last time I checked Guiliani is a Republican, so I really can't believe that you would claim that Guiliani would be bringing the 'expertise of Tammany Hall' to the FBI.

Don't bother using logic. This LLAN-DDEUSANT pperson iis aa ttwit.

57 posted on 10/25/2001 8:48:08 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
The War Democrats and the Union Party.

You have to go back 140 years for an example? Sickles, whom you mentioned, is the only one I could think of, and he was a Union General. As I recall my history, the Democrats easily won NY City in the 1864 elections. There doesn't seem to have been any reason for them to switch to the Republican party at that time. How about a 20th century example?

58 posted on 10/26/2001 3:49:31 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: lawdog
I can imagine that they've put their crack counter-terrorism team that screwed up with the traitor at Los Alamos on the 9-11 case.

We can expect, with 100% certainty, the same results.

59 posted on 10/26/2001 10:26:12 AM PDT by SuperLuminal
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To: OKCSubmariner
Thanks for the flag OKSub

Take Care. Be Safe.

AtticusX
60 posted on 10/27/2001 7:46:49 AM PDT by AtticusX
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