That's how it looks. Looks like we are alone with our clash of civilizations. Whoever wins this one wins not just earth but the entire galaxy.
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To: RadioAstronomer
bump of possible interest
To: RightWhale
There were other civilizations. But one-by-one, their liberals destroyed them.
3 posted on
10/25/2001 9:18:38 AM PDT by
wny
To: RightWhale
I doubt a galactic empire could exist due to the problems of communication and transport accross such huge distances. As to where everyone is, how do we know they aren't next door? All we can really say is we don't see them here, right now. Would it really be necessary for aliens to be visiting us right now if they exist at all? This seems like a leap to me.
4 posted on
10/25/2001 9:21:38 AM PDT by
mlo
To: RightWhale
Another possibility could be that at certain points in their advancement civilizations either revert or go on farther to a type of being that we would not recognize yet.
Basically a civilization would revert to savagery or kill themselves off, or might advance to a form not recognizable by less sophisticated civilizations.
Just a thought.
To: RightWhale
I'm still trying to determine if there is intelligent life on Earth. ;^)
To: RightWhale
So what Fermi immediately realized was that the aliens have had more than enough time to pepper the Galaxy with their presence. But looking around, he didn't see any clear indication that they're out and about. This prompted Fermi to ask what was (to him) an obvious question: "where is everybody?"Cigarettes killed them all.
8 posted on
10/25/2001 9:25:02 AM PDT by
Lazamataz
To: RightWhale
Maybe the aliens got a good look at us and started hiding.
10 posted on
10/25/2001 9:26:58 AM PDT by
Gumlegs
To: RightWhale
Fermi realized that any civilization with a modest amount of rocket technology and an immodest amount of imperial incentive could rapidly colonize the entire Galaxy. Within ten million years, every star system could be brought under the wing of empire. Their race better have a VERY long lifespan then. Why build an interstellar "empire" if you can't live long enough to enjoy it or even administer it? A race could colonize other systems, but since communications and travel are limited by the speed of light at best, political organization of an interstellar "empire" would be very hard or outright impossible. Basically, each system would be its own independent political entity and cultural "petri dish" evolving independently from fellow members of their species in other systems.
Perhaps therin lies the best hope for freedom there is. Just pick up and move to where nobody else is willing to follow you. I don't know how easy it'd be to do so, since there's a lot of variables (access to transport, willingness to leave the homeworld, availability of habitable planets, terraforming, etc.).
Hell, mabye every culture eventually evolves Democrats to muck things up?
12 posted on
10/25/2001 9:27:24 AM PDT by
adx
To: RightWhale
Fermi realized that any civilization with a modest amount of rocket technology and an immodest amount of imperial incentive could rapidly colonize the entire Galaxy. Yeah, whatever. No sane person with even a rudimentary knowledge of physics, much less an expert, could possibly believe something this preposterous.
13 posted on
10/25/2001 9:29:01 AM PDT by
jpl
To: RightWhale
Could it be that because we are waaaaaay out on the end of an inconsequential arm of our home galaxy, revolving around an ordinary star with no remarkable characteristics, save one, that we're here, it's just hard to find us?
I postulate, we just haven't been found yet!
15 posted on
10/25/2001 9:30:26 AM PDT by
MarketR
To: MWS
Self bump for future read...
16 posted on
10/25/2001 9:31:14 AM PDT by
MWS
To: RightWhale
Taliban got 'em...
To: RightWhale
One is on the way. Nephilim: Here they come! :^)
19 posted on
10/25/2001 9:34:35 AM PDT by
#3Fan
To: RightWhale
The simplest answer is that, to get to another star system you have to adapt to living in an "interstellar ark" -- and once you've done so it's easier to just take what you need from asteroids and comets than to re-adapt to living on planets.
For all we know, there could be thousands of old mining traces in our own Belt.
21 posted on
10/25/2001 9:35:55 AM PDT by
steve-b
To: RightWhale
Maybe our civilization is the only one living in an Oprah world where reaching out to other civilizations is thought to be beneficial. Civilizations tend to war with each other on Earth.
Another point is that maybe they just don't want us to know that they are there for their own reasons. Perhaps we are too primitive to be taken seriously.
Another point is that space travel might not be restricted to speeds that our limited science understands in 2001 AD.
22 posted on
10/25/2001 9:36:12 AM PDT by
OK
To: RightWhale
I postulate that no other civilization has been able to solve the problem of faster than light travel. The distances are huge and the challenges immense.
It doesn't do much good to colonize a new planet, only to discover that it has a strain of flu that is 100% fatal.
Civilizations also have a nasty tendency to self-destruct, and species have a tendency to go extinct rather quickly.
23 posted on
10/25/2001 9:38:10 AM PDT by
Dog Gone
To: RightWhale
"Earth: Mostly harmless"
26 posted on
10/25/2001 9:40:20 AM PDT by
malakhi
To: RightWhale
Space travel is not as easy as conjectured. Traveling at the speed of light is too slow to get you anywhere and requires massive amounts of energy. The probability of contact with life forms on other solar systems or galaxies is small. If there are other civilizations, they have no reason to even believe we're here. At the speed of light, they haven't even received our 50s TV sitcoms yet.
27 posted on
10/25/2001 9:41:58 AM PDT by
RLK
To: RightWhale
"Our Galaxy Should Be Teeming With Civilizations, But Where Are They?"
Well, don't look here. Beam me up, Scotty.
To: RightWhale
Isn't it obvious? The aliens observed our civilation, and determined that as a species, humankind are basically a bunch of a******s! So, they decided to stay as far away from earth as possible,until we eventually destroy ourselves!!This brings to mind a good question: How do we know that we really know that we want to have contact with alien life forms? What if they turn out to be more savage than we humans!?!
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