After attacks, many Southerners fly different flag

The Charleston Post & Courier ^ | October 29, 2001 | ELLEN B. MEACHAM

[clamper1797]

So ... what's your point to me especially since I too fly both flags ???????

[Constitution Day]

clamper:

I just wanted you to see my response to Non-Sequitur. The thrust of that post was directed at him and a couple others.

You name was in the "To:" list *only* because you had posted on this thread.

No other point is intended to you, sir.

I read your posts #4 & #109 and I think we see eye to eye.

FRegards,
CD

[cactmh]

I've seen quite a few confederate flags here in North Florida...

[aomagrat]

As per your request...

[Colt .45]

Hey bud! The Swastika was a symbol of luck and power dating back to ancient times, the Nazis adopted it in 1932 and now it is synonymous with the Nazis and hate. So what happened to the other 1000 some odd years before those turds came down the pike?

Now for your assertion about the Confederate Battle Flag. It was the flag that many brave Southerners fought and died for. It IS integrated and IS a part of American history. Like it or not, that's the way it is!

If you knew anything at all about history, you would realize that the winners of wars always write their version of history and claim it to be fact. Such is the case with the slavery issue ... a little secret for you here, dude ... the Civil War was about States rights, and started because of economics ... it had nothing to do with slavery.

Slavery became a major issue to draw popular support for the Union in 1863 ( TWO YEARS AFTER THE WAR STARTED)due to the fact many Northerners, were becoming disenchanted with the war and its casualties, and starting to vocally dissent. The South had been winning major battles up until then. In essence the "slavery issue" was nothing more than a bandwagon issue. AND when Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, he only freed the slaves south of the Mason Dixon Line, but nothing was mentioned about the slaves being used in Baltimore, Maryland which was north of the Mason Dixon Line.

IN FACT you had more severe rioting against, and abuse of Blacks by Northerners, than you ever had in the South during the war. Not to mention the atrocities and rapes committed by Northern troops (under the command of General William Techumseh Sherman (USA)) on the Negro populace of the South during their March to the Sea in 1864.

New York experienced the worst race riots in 1863 wherein several blacks were killed by white NEW YORKERS!

There were also a couple of untis of Negro Soldiers who fought for the Confederacy during the war, so now you tell me that the Southerners were racist. All the above information is true and recorded history.

In closing all I can tell you is that your ignorance of history is only exceeded by the ignorance in your posting.

[Non-Sequitur]

Hey, I’ll stack my knowledge of history against yours any day of the week, if your post is any indication. For example I know that the Emancipation Proclamation was written and released in 1862, not 1863. I know that the Mason-Dixon Line formed the northern border of Maryland, not the southern, so that Baltimore is actually south of the Mason-Dixon Line. I also know that the Emancipation Proclamation freed only those slaves in the south under confederate control, exempting whole sections of Virginia and Florida and Louisiana that had been restored to federal control. I also know that the race riots in Memphis and New Orleans in 1866 probably resulted in the deaths of more Blacks at the hands of white SOUTHERNERS than the New York race riots. Likewise I know about the Black Codes that the south enacted right after the war that returned Black Americans to a condition approaching slavery, even those who had been free prior to the war or who had fought for the south during the war. I also know that Lincoln never called out the troops to threaten to fire on women like Davis did during the Richmond bread riots. And finally I know that Sherman’s actions, while harsh, shortened the war by 6 months to a year. As he himself said, "You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out."

Gee, maybe I'm not so ignorant of history as you seem to think. So I guess that you're no judge of the ignorance of anyones postings.

[shuckmaster]

Thanks for providing us with a little dose of the truth.

Aw, Shucks!

[LowOiL]

Your post 113 was awesome. Thank you... You proved your point without a doubt.

[aomagrat]

For example I know that the Emancipation Proclamation was written and released in 1862, not 1863.

According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, the Emancipation Prolamation was issued on January 1, 1863.

Britannica.com

[Non-Sequitur]

Read the document:

"Whereas, on the twenty-second day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-two, a proclamation was issued by the President of the United States, containing, among other things, the following, to wit:

That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free..." etcetera and so forth and so on.

Don't take my word for it. Here is a link to the National Archives

[Non-Sequitur]

Now, are you going to tell me that I got the Mason-Dixon Line wrong as well?

[bluecollarman]

Thanks for the post #113!

[aomagrat]

I read it, and it says it was issued on 22 September 1862, to take effect on the first day of January 1863. You're right about that. As for the Mason-Dixon line, as far as I know it's still between Maryland and Pennsylvania, unless someone moved it.

[Constitution Day]

You're all quite welcome.

Deo Vindice.

[Non-Sequitur]

As for the Mason-Dixon line, as far as I know it's still between Maryland and Pennsylvania, unless someone moved it.

That's a relief! Colt.45 sounded so sure about it's location that he had me doubting my memory for a moment.

[aomagrat]

Nice seal also!

[Non-Sequitur]

[Constitution Day]

Where are your cohorts, Illbay & WhiskeyPapa?

[Non-Sequitur]

I'm handling the light work tonight. They only get involved when there is a serious debate with real competition but I'll bump 'em for you.

[Constitution Day]

LMAO! You are *such* a wit. >/sarcasm<

Your comments on my post?

BTW - you were right on the Emancipation Proclamation date.

Time for bed... be seein' ya.