A Contrast Between Mohammed and Christ

George Zeller, Middletown Bible Church ^ | 10/29/01 | RaceBannon

[gulfcoast6]

I think we needed this, it is great, Thanks.

[anniegetyourgun]

Beware anyone on FR with a screenname like "de moniac" - they are "legion."

[ArGee]

Are you saying that God's wrong in allowing Islam to flourish for 1400 years?

Are you saying that G-d is right to allow the mafia, the drug trade, the sex slave trade, and others too numerous to mention, to flourish?

G-d does allow evil to flourish. Just because men create something doesn't mean G-d wishes it to be created. Just because men tolerate something doesn't mean G-d wishes it to be tolerated. Just because men allow something to flourish doesn't mean G-d wishes it to flourish.

G-d could very well have allowed Islam to flourish to judge the Church. I am not claming that is what He has done, but it could be what He has done. Islam's relative strength and size are no indication of His approval.

Remember that Elijah stood alone against 450 prophets of Ba'al. By the end of the day, Elijah had put all 450 of them to the sword himself. Numbers didn't mean squat to G-d.

Boy was his arm tired.

If you really believe that Allah is G-d then one of us doesn't know G-d. It could be me, but I will have to be shown that it is.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

Jerry Falwell, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggart.

I'm unfamiliar with Islam's false prophets, but I'm sure they exist.

Don't confuse prophets with preachers.

I'd also disagree with you about their falseness. Fallenness, I agree with, but not falseness. Falwell, especially, does not belong in that group.

Shalom.

P.S. Wasn't it you who was judging Christians earlier for being judgemental? Isn't your post being judgemental against Falwell, Roberts, and Swaggart and all their students?

[ArGee]

All humans, murderers, thieves, terrorists, housewives, overly-wordy FR posters, are worthy of the mercy, love and forgiveness of God.

In only this can you and I agree.

The study of religion is interesting and a mental challenge, but it is incomplete. You need to study G-d. To do that you must eventually leave the books behind and get to know Him personally. I'm not talking about a deity you made up in your mind, but the deity who is too big for you to ever imagine. He is so big that you can't even seek Him but must wait for Him to reveal Himself to you. You are as incapable of perceiving Him as the ant is of perceiving you. But He has made a way and you can know Him. Do you know Him?

Shalom.

[ArGee]

It must be very humbling to be privvy to God's designs and His Will.

It is, and a great responsibility to boot. That's why Jesus judged the religious leaders of His day so harshly for abusing that knowledge.

Keep in mind, though, that it's not a private thing. You used the word 'privvy' as if only special people can know.

Everyone can know. It is one of G-d's gifts that He will give wisdome to all those who ask.

Shalom.

[Freedom'sWorthIt]

You confuse the actions of individual Americans - we can forgive our enemies - with the right actions of nations. While other nations have not so acted, our nation has set as a standard the defense and security of its people as a guiding principle. How can our nation refuse to protect its own citizens through the use of our "defense" capabilities and remain true to "treating our neighbor as we would ourselves be treated"?

[Diamond]

He lied (Gen 2:17, 2 Sam. 7:13)

Says who?

Did you even read the verses in the list?

Genesis 2:17
"but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

2 Samuel 7:13
"He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.

Since you accuse God of lying, let's see your expert exegisis of these passages.

Cordially

[Diamond]

The Omnipotent Creator cares nothing for what you and I call Him.

Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard? YHWH is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth.

Isaiah 42:8

"I am YHWH; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols.

Cordially,

[nfldgirl]

I don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah (being Jewish and all that)...

You say this like: being Jewish is your excuse for not believing that Jesus was/is the Messiah. Well, IMHO that's a pretty lousy excuse for dismissing the truth about Jesus. By the way, when you have the time, read Isiah 53. In the mean time, I'll be happy to pray for your salvation.

[NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh]

Re: 29. Been done. You are right, although no one wants to hear it. Funny we want the truth about everything except those things that have to do with ourselves.
At any rate, now is not the time for that argument. We must get down to the nubbins of this so-called religion of Islam. It is indeed an evil that has spread around the world, far worse than any virus you can think of, and far more hateful. It's Freddy Kruger with a beard on steroids.

[Diamond]

While it is true that jargon and terminology have been the cause of many human conflicts, that fact does not validate the premise, "Names are of men, not of God." If there is relevant propositional revelation from the Creator in space/time history regarding His Name, then the premise is invalidated. If the premise is invalidated then there is indeed a conflict, not between you and me (I respectfully decline the opportunity to prove your point in that manner) but between you and your Creator.

Cordially,

[EternalVigilance]

Great post. Only have one beef with it. Concerning Jesus, it should be in the present, not the past tense.

Jesus is very much alive, seated at the right hand of the Glory on High, and active in the world by means of His Holy Spirit.

[Centurion2000]

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